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Ray

This is specifically not the sort of thing you were looking for, and I'm specifically not the sort of person you wanted to respond, and it fits your earlier post on the subject better than this one, but having seen this red cloth waved twice, I cansk stands no more.

There *is* such a thing as "moral [speculative] fiction," and it's *called* "science fiction." Thinking that science fiction only speculates about physical sciences is like thinking that academic journals only publish accounts of university life. I know you read Gene Wolfe, and he portrayed a professional torturer as Messiah, for chrissake.

"1) In killing her baby Giselda did the right thing; after all, it was a girl."

My own first guesses as to the context of that sentence would be:

a) This is a sf/fantasy story set in a culture that practices female infanticide. (First lines of that sort are by no means rare in Asimov's or F&SF.)

b) This story is freely translated from a culture that practices female infanticide. (I've heard such cultures have existed.)

One of the things that makes literary reading *literary*, as opposed to a survey of fools and crazies whose garbage laid the groundwork for our status at the pinnacle of creation but who should now be hygienically discarded, is our attempt to deal with the alien artifact as something worthwhile despite its blatant out-of-placeness.

Science fiction replaces that "despite" with a "because of."

And if a horror or a suspense story began that way (if, say, I knew the author was Patricia Highsmith), would we be reading it *because* the narrator is "mad, or bad" -- as a useful reminder to us not to have children with mad or bad people -- or would we be reading it because we take pleasure in imagining a different version of what's mad or bad?

Walton and Gendler have locked themselves into an impoverished closet-sized room and then imagined that their starvation constitutes a mystery. "Pie" reads as trivial, but "Love Is the Plan, the Plan Is Death" does not. Neither do the stories of Ted Chiang, which resemble the "thought experiments" of these essays and comments (changing the laws of math, direct intervention by God) except in having attained the state of viable fiction.

jholbo

Ray, I mostly agree with you. I'm actually going to address this point directly a couple sections on, after offering all my counter-examples. The general form of the anti-Walton/Gendler complaint will be: Walton and Gendler cite Hume as the source of their problem, originally, and Hume is preposterously antique, in a (let's say, though this is just a start) pre-Romantic way. His ideas about what you can (and should) do with fiction are hopelessly narrow. And if Walton and Gendler are following Hume, then somehow they've managed to miss the 19th Century, not to mention the 20th. I think this is basically right. But there is a significant point to be made on the other side. In many cases - say, Ted Chiang's "Hell is the Absence of God" - the potency of the speculation is not due to the fact that Chiang has changed the moral rules. The potency is due to the fact that he has changed a lot else yet (we the readers feel, without really needing to be told) the moral rules stay the same. The the difficulty of conceiving morally deviant worlds becomes a structural tool employable by speculative fiction writers. They can mess with everything else, and count on something staying the same.

A lot of cases you cite are not actually cases of deviant morality, as W & G understand them. For example, you offer two readings of the Giselda line, neither one of which imagines changing the world to make morality different - just changing people's BELIEFS, to make their view of the world differently. W & G grant that. Of course, a very sensible theory of the whole business is that morality is a function of beliefs, so if you believe different things, morality changes. Well, we'll get on to that. The short version of it: what separates you from, say, Hume, may be that you are an incredibly tolerant pluralist about morality - especially in fiction - whereas Hume was a narrow stick-in-the-mud. (A bit funny to say this about the man who said it would not be irrational to prefer the destruction of the world to the scratching of his little finger. But the fact is he didn't. And he is a bit narrow in his approach to literature.) Moving right along: but if your view is that such-and-such a plural view is valid, then presumably your view is that it is valid in OUR world, hence imagining a world in which some subset of is this plurality is the rule does not count as imagining a DEVIANT world. The more tolerant you are, then, the farther you have to go to find anything that counts as actual deviance. So the proposition that deviance is hard to produce is supported from a different direction. Absolutists don't allow the stuff, and relativists can't produce it, by default.

The thing I mean to discuss in the essay - and your negative reaction is a case in point - is that we tend to think of morality as more plastic, in fiction, that it really is. There's a kernel of insight to Walton's point of view, though the view is indeed wrong - so the kernel just provokes good questions at most. In a lot of cases, it's the very hardness of morality, even in the face of poetic license, that allows authors to do their weird speculative tricks.

T. Gracchus

How do we disentangle deviant morality from deviant political justice? We all read happily stories which presume the justice of hereditary rulers and dramatic class differentiation. What are they examples of? Second, to repeat an example raised earlier, Sade does conceive of a morally deviant world and, while the writing has almost every other defect, it is not hard to understand what he proposes. Third, aren't large parts of popular cinema made up of examples of morally deviant worlds? The Unforgiven is built, in large part, on the premise that an appropriate punishment for disfigurement is assassination. Or consider the Tom Riply movie out last year. Then again, maybe I am just missing the whole point.

David

Though you can't put this into a journal article due to its terse nature, it may be far easier to simply acknowledge that we cannot transcend our human condition. The best fiction writers are those who are able to appeal to just that humanity which we all possess, rather than a certain particularity of time and place. This explains why we can be either conflicted or relieved or in broad agreement with the end of "Cousin Bette;" this is possible though we don't live in early 19th century France. It also explains how lesser writers fail because they cannot create a world which is sufficiently compelling to humans ie. it doesn't resemble our human world enough to interest us. This would apply to writers trying to tell one-dimensional historical tales or to science fiction scribes trying to get us to embrace stories where infanticide is a common, acceptible practice. One need not agree with a writer's characters but the characters and their world have to be more than just a cardboard cut-out; this is only possible if their world bears a striking--though inexact--resemblance to ours.

TomD

Surely "Crime and Punishment" is a refutation of the thesis that morally deviant fiction meets insuperable imaginative resistance.

Indeed, any fiction with a villain whose interior psychology is convincingly depicted is a candidate refutation. We begin to get under the skin of said villain, and inevitably begin to cast him as partly a hero, because - given the emotional charge that the author invests in him - his actions feel justified.

In most examples, we move outside the villain's emotional orbit at some point in order to pass judgement; but at any point where we were completely in sympathy with a morally deviant character, we were experiencing a morally deviant fictional world. This can happen virtually without any imaginative resistance, because some morally deviant things are just so satisfying to imagine oneself doing, and we respond gratefully to the invitation to turn off our moral censor.

The ancient Greeks understood it, if we take catharsis to be the moment at which we allow ourselves to be emotionally convinced of the rightness of a morally deviant act. Precisely because the action is fictional, we allow ourselves to live temporarily in a world where (say) revenge killing is right.

Revenge is a prime candidate: even though most of us might agree that revenge is wrong, we root for the character who's out for it. Within the story, revenge is right. And this is often true just *because* it is a story: because, for example, the story ends at the point of the "hero"'s triumph and any further complications (which would make it clear that revenge was wrong) are glossed over.

The Screwtape Letters, Othello, and Otello the opera, are unsatisfactory precisely because they don't present a psychologically satisfying villain, but merely an attempt at one: their authors failed to sympathize fully with the villains.

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