If Wishes Were Horses, Beggars Would Ride -- A Pony!

I think Matthew Yglesias' response to Josh Chafetz' exercise in wishful thinking was about right, even if Brad DeLong's is more nuanced. I'd like to note, though, that Chafetz is selling himself short. You see, wishes are totally free. It's like when you can't decide whether to daydream about being a famous Hollywood star or having amazing magical powers. Why not -- be a famous Hollywood star with amazing magical powers! Along these lines, John has developed an infallible way to improve any public policy wishes. You just wish for the thing, plus, wish that everyone would have their own pony! So, in Chafetz' case, he should not only wish that Bush would say a lot of good things about democracy-building and fighting terrorism in a speech written for him by a smart person, he should also wish that Bush should actually mean the things he says and enact policies which reflect this, and he should wish that everyone gets a pony. See?

John came up with this "and a pony" scheme during a discussion we were having about crazy libertarians. (He was bathing Zoë as I told him about the article I'd read, and Zoë chimed in that she wanted to get a pony too. Duly noted.) Reason recently published a debate held at its 35th anniversary banquet. The flavor of this discussion is indescribable. In its total estrangement from our political and social life today, its wilfull disregard of all known facts about human nature, it resembles nothing so much as a debate over some fine procedural point of end-stage communism, after the state has withered away. Child-care arrangements, let's say. Position A: there will be well run communal creches! Position B: nonsense! the amount of work required from each individual to maintain a perfectly functioning society will be so small that people can care for their own children and those of others on a spontaneous basis, as the need arises!

Allow me to summarize.

Richard A. Epstein: even in the libertarian utopia, some forms of state coercion will be required. If we must assemble 100 plots of land to build a railway which will benefit all, and only 99 owners will sell, then we may need to force a lone holdout to accept a fair price for his land. Similarly, the public enforcement of private rights and the creation of infrastructure will require money, so there will have to be some taxes. [Note to self: no shit, Sherlock.]

Randy Barnett: Not so fast! Let's cross that bridge when we come to it rather than restricting liberty in advance. We'll know a lot more about human liberty in the libertarian utopia, and private entrepreneurs will solve these problems somehow without our needing to grant to governments the dangerous ability to confiscate our property in the name of some nebulous "public good." And as for rights enforcement -- look it's Halley's Comet!

David Friedman: Epstein places too much confidence in his proposed restrictions on government power. Rights could be enforced privately, and imperfect but workable solutions to the holdouts in the railway case could also be found. "To justify taxation we need the additional assumption that rights enforcement cannot be done by the state at a profit, despite historical examples of societies where the right to enforce the law and collect the resulting fines was a marketable asset."

Now, everyone close your eyes and try to imagine a private, profit-making rights-enforcement organization which does not resemble the mafia, a street gang, those pesky fire-fighters/arsonists/looters who used to provide such "services" in old New York and Tokyo, medieval tax-farmers, or a Lendu militia. (In general, if thoughts of the Eastern Congo intrude, I suggest waving them away with the invisible hand and repeating "that's anarcho-capitalism" several times.) Nothing's happening but a buzzing noise, right?

Now try it the wishful thinking way. Just wish that we might all live in a state of perfect liberty, free of taxation and intrusive government, and that we should all be wealthier as well as freer. Now wish that people should, despite that lack of any restraint on their actions such as might be formed by policemen, functioning law courts, the SEC, and so on, not spend all their time screwing each other in predictable ways ranging from ordinary rape, through the selling of fraudulent stocks in non-existent ventures, up to the wholesale dumping of mercury in the public water supplies. (I mean, the general stock of water from which people privately draw.) Awesome huh? But it gets better. Now wish that everyone had a pony. Don't thank me, Thank John.

UPDATE: John wants me to point out that he got the idea from a Calvin and Hobbes strip in which little Susie first wishes that Calvin was nicer, then realizes she might just as well wish for a pony while she's at it. So, thank that Calvin and Hobbes guy, or something.

2ND UPDATE: Thanks to Ben Wolfson for alerting us to the miracle of searchable Calvin and Hobbes! (Now get to work on your abandoned wasteblog, Ben.) Here is the original 'might as well wish for a pony' strip. I humbly submit that it deserves to be a catch-phrase. Just say 'plus a pony' on suitable occasions and watch your opponents whither away like the state itself.

Comments

[Mike Rudmin]

BTW... I forgot to mention that the $10k->$100k "emminent domain" was to purchase land from city council members. Specifically.

These deals are also almost never prosecuted. Do you really think that you're going to use power to steal power from the powerful, or stop the powerful from exercising their power to steal more power?

That is the one reason that I do not favor taxes -- period. That I do not favor emminent domain -- period. That I do not favor any of a number of schemes that promise to empower the little guy.

I simply don't believe any good will come from it at all.

[Chuck]

There is an extreme amount of intelligent discussion here, that I couldn't even being to match. But it just seems like a lot of you are missing really really simple aspects of this argument: libertarians are not anarachists, that goes against the entire principal of what libertiariasm is.

Every concern you've posted here is basically the concerns with people spouting anarchist theroies, and by labling these people in with libertarians you are giving libertarnism a bad name. You are grouping libertiarns as a whole based on a bunch of anarchist talkings by the Reason group. Go look at the Cato institatue, read thier books if you want true libertarism thought.

The government must exist to have a libertarnism society, But the reason the government must exist is to prevent another government from forming that wants to take away rights, also to protect indiviual rights. Courts/policemen/Jail are paid with by fines/labor of thoese arrested.

One of the best ideas I've seen is to have other things like firemen, funded by progressive voltunary user fees, This idea has actually been put into effect by an apartment complex in New york.

As to the hold-out situation: Nope, Thier home is thier castle, Don't touch it. I don't see why this is even an issue, It's like debating slavery, saying well keeping slaves would be better for the common good.

Anyway just wanted to throw that in

[rule of 150]

In a masterful tour de force, the reader is led from familiar and difficult-to-refute principles toward a geo-libertarian position.

Rebuttal of common libertarian arguments against land value taxes.

Dan Sullivan's essays

Ayn Rand's "Galt's Gulch" was actually geolibertarian, run on land value taxes with one monarch/landlord willing to interfere minimally in his tenants' lives, and letting them own their buildings probably.

Note also en: Wikipedia: green syndicalism and eco-villages, which do resemble the Mennonite/Amish paradigm. But so do all small tribal villages prior to state society, flags and such.

Why? the rule of 150.

[strobe]

Funny, I don't recall any "and a pony" arguments in this book: http://www.mises.org/rothbard/power&market.pdf

Sure, we can all mock any arguments based on such abstract ideas revolving around generalized ideal types, as we should since those arguments aren't realistic. In fact I should start by mocking the author's use of the example of the SEC which ought to be abolished regardless if it is a step towards or away from whatever utopian ideal.

Ultimately the only way to know what social order will work is catallactics. Arguments based on references to historical events or various dogmas don't work because society isn't a controlled laboratory experiment or a child's play thing.

Stop reading silly newsgroups and check out the book.

[jennibot]

I've always wanted a pony and will continue to do so until I have one. in its most basic form, a pony can be kept at grass and provides the greatest form of terrestrial freedom short of being a bird. a pony will carry you up mountains, ford rivers, cross any terrain, and say "nuh-UH" if the road ahead is going to put it at risk. you may have to bring along extra food & water for the pony, as for yourself on any daring excursions.

ponies also appreciate proving that you're not as balanced and secure in your seat as you think you are, cuz they're little s---s that would rather run off and eat than carry you around.

this is not a metaphor! ponies are cute & awesome little BRATS.

I'm going to get sleep now.

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Jennibot: no pony for you

[elaine]

also, "and a pony" is old lingo on MeFi - although usually in reference to a completely fantastical feature.

[Keith Dawson]

Your link to the original Calvin & Hobbes strip has fallen victim to the copyright mafia. Quoth:

Welcome, you've come to the place where Calvin and Hobbes(R) once were honored with a great tribute and fan-site. Unfortunately the copyright owners didn't agree with that and made me shutdown the entire site.
...
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[cleek]

Courts/policemen/Jail are paid with by fines/labor of thoese arrested

nope, no incentive for false arrest there.

[liberal]

Most libertarians hate freedom---they believe in a form of landed aristocracy. See Dan Sullivan's brilliant essay, "Are you a Real Libertarian, or a ROYAL Libertarian?".

[derek]

I see I'm not the first tempted to reply to an old post that Brad deLong linked to a year later, so I'll jump in. On 8 Mar 2004, Nicholas Weininger wrote thus in defence of libertarianism against the "...and a pony" canard:

"...such agencies might or might not come to resemble mafias..."

"...and the mechanisms by which they might be kept from doing so...."

"...it is plausible that we might eventually be able to have private rights enforcement..."

Nope, no "...and a pony" thinking there.

[Jacob T. Levy]

I love this post as much as anyone else, and it's devastatingly funny enough that whether it's wholly fair or not has always seemed beside the point. I voted for it for the Koufax. But, on the occasion of Brad deLong invoking it again, I do want to register the following:

There's nothing distinctively or uniquely libertarian about and-a-pony reasoning.

And-a-pony is the business of assumign away precisely the problems that a critical reader thinks you need to be engaging with. And once you're assuming away the tricky stuff, why not pile on some assumed good stuff?

Bryan Caplan, quoted in comments above, accuses all non-anarchocapitalists of assuming away the problems of motivation and public-good provision that they rely on at another stage of the argument: "Obviously people won't voluntarily provide public goods-- except that if the public good in question is the intelligence and goodwill needed for good government, then they'll voluntarily provide it *and ponies too!" GA Cohen accuses Rawls of nearly the same thing-- stipulating a moral psychology of mutual disinterest, until the moment comes when people are suddenly highly motivated to see their fates as shared and to support the institutions of justice. I'd accuse Rawls of it in different moments; as long as your ideal-theoretic model assumes the compatibility of complete autarky and closed borders with a maximum-liberty principle, you might as well assume the compatibility of your moderate-scarcity condition with a rainstorm of ponies, too. [And the debates among Rawls-talmudists can be just as easily satirized as the discussion among hardcore libertarians Belle mentions.] Multiply your examples: as long as we assume away the problem of correctly identifying the philosopher-king, why not also assume that he rides in on a resplendent pony?

But the business of assuming-away in order to try to get at some question of principle isn't illegitimate; it's one moment of most kinds of moral reasoning. It shouldn't be the only or the last moment; and it's always subject to critique about *what's* been assumed away. But that calls for actual critique, not [or not only?] satire.

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[Brad DeLong]

May I be the first to say that the last five comments--including this one--encapsulate the entire internet in a very small space?

[Russell Arben Fox]

Heh.

[Gary Farber]

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[Jacob T. Levy]

Hee.

But shouldn't the nude Paris Hilton be doing something with the ponies, to complete the encapsulation?

[looj]

here's the actual strip:
http://www.shovelbeating.org/~ryan/calvin-and-hobbes/ch870113.gif

enjoy

[looj]

well, it got cut off, so you'll have to amalgamate this yourself.

http://www.shovelbeating.org/~ryan/
calvin-and-hobbes/ch870113.gif

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NOKIA 8910 Black-- US$110
NOKIA 9210 Communicator-- US$110
NOKIA 9210i Communicator-- US$110
NOKIA 8910i-- US$150
NOKIA 9500 AT JUST $195usd,
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION-- US$120,
NOKIA 9300 AT JUST $160usd,

Nokia Vertu 155$
Nokia 5140i 125$
Nokia 6230i 115$
Nokia 6021 105$
Nokia 6030 115$
Nokia 6680 125$
Nokia 6681 120$
Nokia 6101 110$
Nokia 6822 110$
Nokia 7710 110$
Nokia 6170 145$
Nokia 6260 145$
Nokia 3510i 95$
Nokia 6630 120$
Nokia 7260 120$
Nokia 7270 110$
Nokia 7280 120$
Nokia 6670 110$
Nokia 6020 120$
Nokia 3220 65$
Nokia N-GAGE QD 75$
Nokia 7610 120$
Nokia 5140 85$
Nokia 6610i 120$
Nokia 7200 133$
Nokia 6230 145$
Nokia 6820 120$
Nokia 7600 105$
Nokia 6600 120$
Nokia 6800 105$
Nokia 6220 120$
Nokia 6620 120$
Nokia 7250i 65$
Nokia 8910i 120$
Nokia 6100 95$

SONY ERICSSON P800(UNLOCK)-- US$180
SONY ERICSSON P900(UNLOCK)---US$200
SONY ERICSSON P980i(UNLOCK)---US$200
SONYERICSSON P990 JUST FOR ...$210USD
SONY ERICSSON W800i AT JUST $140usd
SONY ERICSSON W900i AT JUST $220usd
SONY ERICSSON S700i AT JUST $125usd
Sony Ericsson P910i.....270 USD
Sony Ericsson T230......80 USD
Sony Ericsson T310......80 USD
Sony Ericsson T610......100 USD
Sony Ericsson Z1010.....180 USD
Sony Ericsson Z200......90 USD
Sony Ericsson Z600......130 USD
Sony Ericssson T630.....130 USD
Sony Ericsson S700i.....170 USD
Sony Ericsson S750i.....170 USD

MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST $120usd,
MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST $160usd,
MOTOROLA V661 AT JUST $145USD
Motorola A388C......170 USD
Motorola A760.......250 USD
Motorola A768.......260 USD
Motorola A768i......200 USD
Motorola A780.......290 USD
Motorola C550.......90 USD
Motorola C650.......100 USD
Motorola E365.......100 USD
Motorola E398.......120 USD
Motorola E680.......240 USD
Motorola RAZR V3....270 USD
Motorola V220.......170 USD
Motorola V303.......100 USD
Motorola V400.......150 USD
Motorola V500.......150 USD
Motorola V501.......200 USD
Motorola V525.......150 USD

Motorola V600 (OEM) w/ Bluetooth Headset..260 USD
Motorola V600 OEM...180 USD
Motorola V690.....170 USD
Motorola V750.....180 USD
Motorola V80......200 USD
Motorola V80 with Bluetooth...260 USD
Motorola V872.....200 USD
Motorola V878....180 USD
Motorola V300....150 USD

SAMSUNG D500 AT JUST $160usd,
SAMSUNG D415 AT JUST $120usd
Samsung E600...140 USD
Samsung E800...180 USD
Samsung P510...120 USD
Samsung SGH-D410.200 USD
Samsung SGH-D500..270 USD
Samsung SGH-E700..150 USD
Samsung SGH-E715..170 USD
Samsung SGH-P100..130 USD
Samsung SGH-P400..95 USD
Samsung SGH-P408..240 USD
Samsung SGH-P730..150 USD
Samsung SGH-S200..90 USD
Samsung SGH-S300..70 USD
Samsung SGH-S300M..100 USD
Samsung SGH-S500...100 USD
Samsung SGH-V200...110 USD
Samsung SGH-X400...100 USD
Samsung SGH-X430...100 USD
Samsung SGH-X600...100 USD
Samsung X450.......100 USD

PALM TREO 650 AT JUST $140usd
PALM TREO 700W AT JUST $160usd
PALM TREO 600 AT JUST $120usd

NEXTEL 1930 JUST FOR...$120USD
NEXTEL i870at JUST FOR..$140usd
NEXTEL i450 JUST FOR...90usd
NEXTEL 1860 JUST FOR..$110USD
NEXTEL i90c JUST FOR.. 95USD
NEXTEL i95cl JUST FOR.. 100USD
NEXTEL i30sx JUST FOR.. 103USD
NEXTEL i88s JUST FOR.. 40USD
NEXTEL i35s JUST FOR.. 30USD
NEXTEL i58srJUST FOR.. 55USD
NEXTEL i2000JUST FOR... 50USD
NEXTEL i850 JUST FOR...105usd

SIDEKICK 1 JUST FOR .... $100 USD
SIDEKICK 2 JUST FOR ..$120USD
T-MOBILE SIDEKICK 3 JUST FOR $150USD
iMate Jasjar............$250usd

iMate K-Jam................$170usd

iMate PDA2k...............$210usd
iMate Windows Mobile Pocket PC Phone .....$205usd
I-MATE Smartflip ....... $140
I-MATE K-JAM ......... $180
I-MATE SP5 ......... $150
I-MATE SP5m ......... $155
I-MATE SP4m ......... $120
I-MATE JAM Black ........ $150
I-MATE PDA2 ......... $190
I-MATE PDA2k ......... $168
I-MATE SP3i ......... $132
I-MATE SP3 ......... $135
I-MATE Pocket PC ......... $140
I-MATE Smartphone2 ........ $110
I-MATE Smartphone ........ $115
O2 Xda 2s ii ll Pda Phone........ $270

O2 Xda Atom Mobile Phone........ $260

O2 XDA II Mini Mobile Cellular Phone......$270
02 XDA IIi ......... $180
02 XDA IIs ......... $185
O2 X2i ......... $120
02 X4 ......... $130
02 X3 ......... $120
02 x7 ......... $140
QTEK 9100 (Stylish black) PDA Phone (Sim Free Unlocked).....$240)

TO MAKE YOUR ORDERS,WRITE US OR CONTACT MICHEAL BY CALLING +44-703-184-7129 OR EMAIL multichoicefone@hotmail.co.uk
http://multichoicefone.mylivepage.com/about

[Lance tenor]

, We are Legitimate registered company we sell all brand new electronics product. we ship our products worldwide through fedEX ,DHL or Ups. We sell all kinds of mobile phones such as Nokia,samsung, motorola, Sony Ericson, Nextel, Juicy SidekickII, PDAs phones,eg Qtek900 I-mate Jasjar, o2 xda exec, Dopod 900 and many more. and we also have all the model of Apple ipod, Xbox 360, Sony PSP and Sony PS3, and We are commited to our customers satisfaction and happiness. We render quality and effective services.
Email: smithleophones@aol.com.smithleophonesltd@yahoo.com
jide_telecom@yahoo.com, jide3006@yahoo.com.

JUICY SIDEKICK I...........$70USD
SIDEKICK II..........$100
SIDEKICK II MISTER CARTOON...... $120
JUICY COUTURE SIDEKICK II .....$110
SIDEKICK 3..........$130

02 Phones
o2 xDA Exec ........ $220
02 XDA Atom ........ $200
02 XDA NEO ........ $200
02 XDA mini S ....... $220
02 XDA II mini ...... $180
02 XDA IIi ......... $150
02 XDA IIs ......... $160
O2 X2i ......... $120
02 X4 ......... $130
02 X3 ......... $120
02 x7 ......... $140
Samsung D410.........$120usd
Samsung D500.........$130usd
Samsung D600.........$150usd
Mitac MIO 8930......$280usd
Motorola v3x.............$120usd
Motorola E895........... $130usd
Motorola L6..............$120usd
Motorola E680i...........$130usd
Motorla A1010............$140usd
Motorola SLVR L7.........$130usd
Motorola PEBL............$120usd
Motorola V6.............. $150 usd
Motorola RAZOR V3 .......$100usd
Motorola w220 ...........$120usd
Motorola A1200 ..........$120usd
Motorola A728............$110usd ...
i930.........$130usd
Nextel i870.........$120usd
Nextel i860.........$100usd
Nextel i90c.........$75USD
Nextel i95cl........$90USD
Sony Ericsson p990.....$200usd
Sony Ericsson p910i....$155usd
Sony Ericsson w900i....$140usd
Sony Ericsson K750i....$140usd
Sony Ericsson k800i....$152usd
Sony Ericsson k700i....$150usd
Sony Ericsson W800i....$145usd
Sony Ericsson W900 ....$190usd
sony Ericsson w600i....$160usd
Sony Ericsson d750i....$150usd
Sony Ericsson z1010....$180usd
Sony Ericsson M600....$180usd
Sony Ericsson M608....$200usd
Sony Ericsson W550...$200usd
Sony Ericsson.k790....$250usd

Qtek
Qtek 8500 ....... $130
Qtek S200 ....... $180
Qtek 9000 ....... $250
Qtek 8310 ....... $200
Qtek 8300 ....... $185
Qtek 9100 ....... $270
Qtek 8100 ....... $150
Qtek S110 ....... $175
Qtek S100 ....... $190
Qtek 9090 ....... $200
Qtek 8020 ....... $190
Qtek 8010 ....... $140
Qtek 2020i ...... $220
Qtek 2020 ....... $200
Qtek 1010 ....... $140
I-MATE PHONES
I-MATE Smartflip ....... $140
I-MATE JAMIN ......... $240
I-MATE JASJAR ........ $250
I-MATE K-JAM ......... $180
I-MATE SP5 ......... $150
I-MATE SP5m ......... $155
I-MATE SP4m ......... $120
I-MATE JAM Black ........ $150
I-MATE JAM ......... $160
I-MATE PDA2 ......... $190
I-MATE PDA2k ......... $170
I-MATE SP3i ......... $130
I-MATE SP3 ......... $135
I-MATE Pocket PC ......... $140
I-MATE Smartphone2 ........ $180
I-MATE Smartphone ........ $160
Treo 700...............$200usd
Treo 600...............$150usd
Treo 650...............$160usd
PPC-7600............. $200
Nokia N80.......$160USD
Nokia N93.......$200USD
Nokia N92.......$180USD
Nokia N91.......$160USD
Nokia N90.......$150USD
Nokia N70.......$140USD
Nokia N71.......$155USD
Nokia 8800......$140USD
Nokia 7710.......$145USD
Nokia 7610.......$120usd
Nokia 9300......$145USD
Nokia 9500......$170USD
nokia n73 ......$200USD
Nokia N75 ....$250USD
Nokia N95 .....$300USD

contact email address:
Email: smithleophones@aol.com.smithleophonesltd@yahoo.com
jide_telecom@yahoo.com, jide3006@yahoo.com.
Do kindly reply back now,thank's and God bless Mr Lance.
Thanks.

[paper shredders]

It's not like Nozick or Coase are inaccessible. His dad's book is good, too.

[Rose]

Home mobile shops Wireless Ltd. We are a registered and authorise
mobile phones distributors. We deal on brand new Unlocked mobile phones
with original boxes.We deal on all brands and models of mobile phones and
Computers such as Nokia, motorola, Samsung and many more at very cheap Prices,
we have mobile phones accessories such as battery, charger, keypad, housing, datacable, LCD. We supply many other electronic products, such as MP3, MP4, LCD TV, plasma TV, CD ROM, DVD writer, windows XP, office 2003 Software, IP phone, USB phone, bluetooth earphone, bluetooth USB dongle, etc.
*
Our mobile Phones condition
Our phones are imported from Finland,Hungary and Singapore; they are factory
sealed with original packets with complete accessory, e.g. charger, extra
battery and software c d. The phones are simfree and it's never lock to any network.
EMAIL:homemobileshops@hotmail.com
EMAIL:homemobileshops@yahoo.com

Here are thePrice list for different products;
NOKIA 8850 SPECIAL EDITION..........$105usd
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION.............$100usd
NOKIA 8800 AT JUST .................$140usd
NOKIA 8910 Black....................$110usd
NOKIA 9210 Communicator.............$110usd
NOKIA 9210i Communicator............$110usd
NOKIA 8910i.........................$150usd
NOKIA 9500 AT JUST .................$195usd
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION.............$120usd
NOKIA 6060........................................ 100usd
NOKIA n70 ......................................180usd
NOKIA 9300 AT JUST .................$160usd
NOKIA N90 AT JUST ..................$130usd
NOKIA N91 AT JUST ..................$160usd
NOKIA N92 AT JUST ..................$170usd
NOKIA N93 AT JUST ..................$200usd
NOKIA N95 AT JUST ..................$300usd
NOKIA N75 AT JUST ..................$200usd
SONY ERICSSON T616 850/1900.........$180usd
SONY ERICSSON R520m(UNLOCK).........$89usd
SONY CMD-Z5.........................$89usd
SONY ERICSSON R380 World............$95usd
SONY ERICSSON R380s.................$90usd
SONY ERICSSON T68m..................$79usd
SONY ERICSSON T610..................$109usd
SONY CMD-MZ5........................$139usd
SONY ERICSSON P800(UNLOCK)..........$180usd
SONY ERICSSON P900(UNLOCK)..........$200usd
SONY ERICSSON P980i(UNLOCK).........$200usd
SONYERICSSON P990i JUST FOR ........$210USD
SONY ERICSSON W800i AT JUST ........$140usd
SONY ERICSSON S700i AT JUST ........$125usd
SONY ERICSSON Z800i AT JUST ........$240usd
SONY ERICSSON Z700i AT JUST ........$205usd
MOTOROLA V300[UNLOCK]C/R............$100usd
MOTOROLA V400[UNLOCK]C/R............$115usd
MTOROLA T720 C/R[CINGULAR]..........$80usd
MOTOROLA V600.......................$120usd
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR............$140USD BLACK COLOR
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR............$150USD SILVER COLOR
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR............$160USD PINK COLOR
MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST ...........$120usd
MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST ...........$160usd
MOTOROLA V661 AT JUST.............. $145USD
SAMSUNG SGH-A500....................$150usd
SAMSUNG SGH-T500 Champagne..........$100usd
SAMSUNG SGH-V200....................$110usd
SAMSUNG SGH-T200....................$110usd
SAMSUNG SGH-R225 TRIBAND............$95usd
SAMSUNG SGH-S307 850/1900...........$110usd
SAMSUNG V205[USED]TRIMODE...........$65usd
NEXTEL i930 AT JUST ................$110usd
NEXTEL i860 AT JUST ................$100usd
SAMSUNG D500 AT JUST ...............$160usd
SAMSUNG D415 AT JUST................$120usd
SAMSUNG SGH D720 JUST FOR ..........$170USD

Tomtom Navigator PDA For $300
I-Mate Pocket PC.....320
i-mate PDA2k..$337
i-mate JAM......$340
I-Mate...$333
i-mate JASJAR.....$340
Kinpo iDo S600.....$330.

Treo 700p...............$180
Treo 700w.............. $175
Treo 600...............$120
Treo 650...............$130
Nextel i930.........$110
Nextel i870.........$100
Nextel i860.........$100
Nextel i90c.........$60
Nextel i95cl........$90

QTEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Qtek s200 =$100
Qtek 9000 =$130
Qtek 8310 =$200
Qtek 8300 =$210
Qtek 9100 =$240
Qtek 8100 =$250
Qtek s110 =$210
Qtek s100 =$200
Qtek 9090 =$210
Qtek 8020 =$200
Qtek 8010 =$180
Qtek 2020i=$240
Qtek 2020 =$250
Qtek 8080 =$130
Qtek 8060 =$160
Qtek 1010 =$150
Qtek 7070 =$250

DVD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Panasonic DVD-LS5 DVD Player...$150USD
Mintek MDP-5860 DVD Player.....$90USD
Panasonic DMR-E50S DVD Recorder...$190USD
Samsung DVD-L200 DVD Player..... $150USD
and many more.........................

GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

W/xbox 360 hard drive,
Xbox 360 wireless controller,
Xbox 360 faceplate,
Xbox 360 headset,
Xbox 360 component hd-av cable,
Xbox live silver membership
(#xbox360pla) $260 per-unit buy 3 and take one free
play station 1... $120
play station 2 ...$130
play station 3...$250
x_box 360....$200
GARMIN 396...$150
Game boy latext edition......$110

PDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Palm Zire 72 PDA-$100usd
Sony PEG-SJ33 Color CLIÉ Handheld PDA-$120usd
Sony CLIÉ PEG-UX50 PDA-$150usd
HP iPAQ Pocket PC hx4705 PDA-$160usd
Palm Tungsten E PDA-$60usd
Palm Tungsten T5 PDA-$80usd
Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager PDA-$100usd
HP iPAQ Pocket PC HX4700 PD-$200usd
Sharp Mobilon HC-4100 PDA-$100usd
o2 XDAII MINI integrated Pocket PC & GSM phone-$300usd
o2 XDAIIS integrated pocket PC & GSM Phone-$330usd
HP Ipaq HX4700 Pocket PC -$200usd
HP Ipaq HX2700 Pocket PC .......$300usd

IPODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apple 4 GB ipod mini blue m9802ll/a'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$64.00
Apple 4 GB ipod mini pink m9804ll/a'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$64.00
Apple 4 GB ipod mini green m9806ll/a''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$64.00
Apple 6 GB ipod mini blue m9803ll/a'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$68.00
Apple 6 GB ipod mini silver m9801ll/a''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$68.00
Apple 20 GB ipod m9282ll/a'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$69.00
Apple 4 GB ipod mini pink m9435ll/a''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$49.00
Apple 40 GB ipod photo''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$49.00
Apple 4 GB ipod nano'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$69.00
Apple 2 GB ipod nano'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$62.00
Apple 4 GB ipod mini silver m9160ll/a''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$49.00
Apple 60 GB ipod photo m9830ll/a'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$86.00
Apple 60 GB ipod photo''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$49.00
Apple 30 GB ipod photo m9829ll/a''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$73.00
Apple 512 mb ipod shuffle mp3 player
m9724ll/a'''''''''''''''''''''''us$56.00
Apple 4 GB ipod mini blue
m9436ll/a''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$49.00
Apple 20 GB ipod u2 special
edition'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$73.00
Apple 6 GB ipod mini green
m9807ll/a''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''us$64.00
New apple 60 GB video ipod'''''''''''''''''us$100.00
New apple 30 GB video ipod'''''''''''''''''us$80.00
SIDE-KICK 2 AND 3
T-Mobile Sidekick II Cell Phone...............................$100
T-Mobile Sidekick II..........................................$80
Sidekick II T-Mobile with Color Screen........................$150
T-Mobile Sidekick II TMO to Go Prepaid Phone..................$110
T-Mobile Sidekick II Phone (T-Mobile).........................$100
T-Mobile Sidekick II T-Mobile Replacement Phone...............$170
T-Mobile Sidekick - Data Only Product Features................$90
T-Mobile SideKick II..........................................$100
Mobile Sidekick II............................................$100
Mobile Sidekick III...........................................$130
Sidekick III Wood Look Skin & Screen Protector Brand New .....$160
Sidekick II Red Sparkle Skin/Screen Protector Cover New ......$170
Danger hiptop / T-Mobile Sidekick Universal FM Radio .........$190

PANASONIC PLASMA TV

Panasonic TH-37PHD8UK Plasma $350
Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK Plasma $600
Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK Plasma $500
Panasonic TH-42PD50U EDTV $ 450
Panasonic TH-42PX50U Plasma $650
Panasonic TH-50PX50U Plasma $700
panasonic TH-65PHD8UK Plasma $900

SONY PLASMA TV

SONY FWD-42PV1 Plasma Display $500
Sony PFM-42X1 Plasma Display $550
Sony FWD-50PX2 Plasma Display $700

PHILIPS PLASMA TV

Philips 42PF7320A/37 Plasma TV $600
Philips 42PF9630A/37 Plasma HDTV $700
Philips 50PF7320A/37 Plasma HDTV $720
Philips 50PF9630A/37 Plasma HDTV $550
Philips 50PF9830A/37 Plasma HDTV $800

SAMSUNG PLASMA TV

SAMSUNG HPP3761 Plasma TV $610
Samsung PPM42M5S Plasma Display $505
Samsung SPP4251 Plasma TV $700
Samsung PPM42M5H Plasma Display $550
Samsung HPR4252 Plasma $680
Samsung HPR4262 Plasma TV $450
Samsung HPR4272 Plasma $560
Samsung PPM50M5H Plasma Display $870

HITACHI PLASMA TV

Hitachi CMP4211u Plasma $850
Hitachi CMP4212u Plasma $350
Hitachi 42HDF52 Plasma HDTV $400
Hitachi 42HDT52 Plasma TV $440
Hitachi 55HDS52 Plasma HDTV $480
Hitachi 55HDT52 Plasma TV $650
Hitachi CMP-55HDM71 Plasma $420

AOC ENVISION PLASMA TV

AOC Envision A42W64 Plasma $400
MAXENT PLASMA TV
Maxent MX-42VM7 Plasma EDTV $370
Maxent MX-50X2 Plasma $300

NEC PLASMA TV

NEC 42VP5 Plasma TV $400
NEC 42VM5HA Plasma TV $470
NEC 42VR5HA Plasma - Silver $300
NEC PX-42XM3A Plasma Display $500
NEC PX-42XM4A Plasma Display $450
NEC PX-42XR4A Plasma Display $550

PIONEER PLASMA TV

Pioneer pdp-424mv plasma TV -$1,800
Pioneer pdp-42a3hd plasma TV -$1,720
Pioneer pdp-434cmx plasma tv-$1,880
Pioneer pdp-43a5hd plasma tv-$1,800
Pioneer pdp-4360hd plasma TV -$1,700

PHILIPS PLASMA TV

Philips 17PF8946A 17” LCD Television $180
Philips 17PF9936 17” LCD Television $160
Samsung LT-P1745 17 in. LCD Television $180
Toshiba 17HLV85 17” LCD Television $190
Samsung LT-P1795W 17” LCD Television $160
SONY MFMHT75W 17” LCD Television $130
FLAT-PANEL LCD TV 17” LCD Television $140
Samsung LTN1735 17” LCD Television $160
AOC A17W221 17IN LCD TV $150.

Toshiba Satellite PRO L10 $320
Toshiba M200 $500
Toshiba R100 $450
Toshiba Qosmio E10 $750
Toshiba Satellite PRO L20 $250
Toshiba M100 $680
Toshiba M300 $740
Toshiba Portege A200 $320
Toshiba Satellite L10 $330
Toshiba Qosmio F20 $500

Dell Laptops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dell Latitude D600 $290
Dell Latitude D500 t $200
Dell Inspiron 6000 $350
Dell Latitude D505 $340
Dell Latitude D610 $460
Dell Latitude D510 $320
Dell Inspiron 9300 $530

Sony Laptops!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $680
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 $840
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $ 310
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 $550
SONY VAIO A217S-- 100GB--==$450
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD===$400
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB===$400
SONY VAIO A397XP-- 80GB====$400
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$450
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$400
SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$400
SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$400

The best awards and adV specialties supplier on the Net
auctioning-Sidekick and Ipod
Regards
president
MRS:Rose Edward
homemobileshops@hotmail.com
homemobileshops@yahoo.com

[duntingbestbar]

WE SELL LATEST BRAND NEW MOBILES PHONES, APPLE IPODS AND LAPTOP,XBOX PREMIUM, UNLOCKED AT CHEAP PRICE,WITH COMPLETE ACCESSORIES AND 1 YEAR INTERNATIONAL WARRANTY
CONTACT USVIA duntingbestbar@aim.com
nokia N95.........$300USD
Nokia N93……..$250USD
Nokia N92…….$200USD
Nokia N83…….$175USD
Nokia N91…….$180USD
Nokia N90…….$170USD
Nokia N70…….$150USD
Nokia N71…….$155USD
Nokia N72……..$160USD
Nokia N73……..$165USD
Nokia 7360…….$165USD
Nokia 7380……..$175USD
Nokia 7370……..$170USD
Nokia 8800……$140USD
Nokia 8801…….$145usd
Nokia N80…….$160USD
Nokia 7710…….$145USD
Nokia 7610…….$120usd
Nokia 9300……$145USD
Nokia 9500……$170USD
Nextel i930………$130usd
Nextel i870………$120usd
Nextel i860………$110usd
Sony Ericsson w900i….$140usd
Sony Ericsson W800i….$135usd
sony Ericsson w700…..$130usd
sony Ericsson w600i….$125usd
sony Ericsson w300…..$120usd
sony Ericsson w950…..$160usd
Sony Ericsson p990i….$145usd
Sony Ericsson m600i…..$175usd
sony Ericsson m600…..$170usd
Sony Ericsson p990…..$140usd
Sony Ericsson p910i….$125usd
Treo 700……………$200usd
Treo 600……………$150usd
Treo 650……………$160usd
Motorola razor v3………$130usd
Motorola razor v3 pink edition….$130usd
Motorola v3X……………….$140usd
Motorola MPX300.,…$150usd
Motorola V3i……….$150usd
Motorola L7……….$140USD
Samsung D800……….$210USD
Samsung D820……….$220USD
Samsung D500………$160usd
Samsung d600………$170usd
SIDEKICK 2……….$120USD
SIDEKICK 3……….$200USD
I-MATE JASJER…….$260USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……40 USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo………………..40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….40 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….110 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….150 USD
X box premium console ……………… 190usd
Ps3 …………………………………220usd
Ps2 …………………………………..160usd
SIDEKICK II AT JUST $120usd
Mitac MIO 8930……$280usd