Help Us, Fafnir! We Need Your Pie Expertise!

John and I are confused, and so we must turn to Fafnir. Why isn't cheescake a pie? Look at this baked good: it has a crust, a gooey filling, a fruity topping.

Are not all things so constituted pies? If not, why not? I submit that if cakes can have crusts and fillings, the terrorist will have won. It is my understanding that the Medium Lobster, transcending space and time as he does, is somehow present here in Singapore as well as Gibletsville, and so is able to taste this "cake". Perhaps he could report on it to Fafnir. Perhaps, when Giblets posts the address to which we are meant to send the violin-playing monkeys and cocoa and slaves and concubines, we could also send a "cheesecake". (I understand it may take some time for Fafnir to contact us, since I can't email him or send trackbacks. Also, he is getting over the misery of his Chalabi-related whaling novel disaster. Didn't there used to be an "email Fafnir" link? Oh well.) For those of you who want to try this at home, the recipe follows.

Now, you might think cherry cheesecake isn't good. Why? Because it generally involves only cherries who have been contemplating the utter darkness inside a can of cherry pie filling. But what if it had real cherries? That was the question I asked myself, and the answer is: then it would be the best cheesecake EVER.

Belle's Cherry Cheesecake

Topping:
3/4 lb cherries (this is a "guesstimate", as I don't have a kitchen scale)
1/3 c sugar
juice of 1 lemon
2 T cornstarch
2 T cold water
1 t almond extract

Crust:
1 1/3 c crushed digestive biscuits (like McVities), or about 7 biscuits
2 T unsalted butter, melted
2 T sugar

Filling:
4 8-oz packets cream cheese, room temperature
1 1/2 c sugar
4 eggs, room temperature
1 t vanilla extract
pinch salt

1. Preheat oven to 350. Wrap a 9-inch springform pan with two layers of tinfoil (use the big size; it wil bake in a water bath and no water must get in). Put on a kettle of water to boil.

2. Mix crust ingredients and press firmly over bottom of pan and slightly up the side. Bake for 10 minutes and put on a rack.

3. Meanwhile, whip cream cheese till fluffy. The easiest way is to put it in a stand mixer and let it run for 5 minutes with the flat paddle attachment. But if you don't have one, then use a hand-held electric mixer and secure the bowl with a damp towel.

4. Add sugar in a thin stream while beaters are running. Then add eggs one at a time, scraping down the bowl, just till combined. Do not overmix. Stir in salt and vanilla.

5. Pour filling over crust, place pan in a roasting pan, put the roasting pan in the oven, and pour boiling water into the roasting pan until it comes halfway up the sides of the cake pan. Bake 65-70 minutes, until edges are firm and slightly brown and the center of the pan is still slightly wiggly. Cover with foil during the latter part of baking if it is browning too fast.

6. While the cake is baking, make topping: halve and pit cherries into a thick-bottomed saucepan, working over the pot to capture the juice. Add the lemon juice and sugar, and cook over medium heat for 5 or so minutes, till cherries are soft but holding their shape. Mix cornstarch and cold water well, then add to cherries. Bring back to boil; cherry juices will turn thick and clear. Turn off heat and add almond extract. Let cool.

7. When the cake is done, put it on a wire rack and pour the topping over it. Let cool, then put in fridge to cool completely. Before unmolding, run a thin-bladed knife around the edge of the pan.

Seriously, make this now while cherries are in season. And read Fafblog, while it continues to be the world's only source for Fafblog.

Comments

[belle]

Also, it is my birthday. Happy birthday to me.

[Carlos]

Happy birthday, Belle!

[Ray]

Cheesecake would be called cheesepie if that didn't make it harder to be served it on birthdays.

I got four cheesecakes one birthday. Much cheesecake was had. May that be my last memory on earth.

[ogged]

Happy birthday!

Also, I think of a pie as covered by doughy/crusty stuff, a cake as open-topped.

[apostropher]

Pfff. Labels.

[Mitch Mills]

Happy Birthday!

As for why it's called cheesecake, I have two guesses. My first guess is that it's because pies can be savory or sweet, and cheese is generally associated with savory dishes. So, to most people the name cheese pie would imply something savory, e.g. tiropites. Cake on the other hand usually (always?) denotes something sweet. Also, maybe because there's no flour involved (or little; some recipes use it as a binder instead of cornstarch), plus cheesecakes usually don't have a pastry crust?

My other guess would be that somewhere along the line someone made a sloppy translation of torta while working from an Italian recipe for Torta di Ricotta or somesuch.

Some googling didn't provide anything definitive, but this is a nice article which talks about the New York and (Eastern European) Jewish roots of what most Americans think of when they say cheesecake. Looks like some nice recipes at the end of the article too. It also hints at Italian influences without explicitly mentioning Itallian Jewish cuisine.

This page also has some interesting information.

[Mitch Mills]

Um, I just re-read my post and realized that the lack of flour in a cheesecake actually cuts the other way, namewise (obviously). I plead fogged judgement due to salivating over the recipe and photos.

[Belle]

Also, I guess there is "Chess Pie", which is cheesepie, more or less cheescake topping baked in a pastry crust.

[wendy]

Is that an Ikea orange plastic plate? Are there any parents out there who don't own a set of those?

[belle]

Yep, that's from Ikea. They should probably just issue a stack of them at the hospital when you give birth to save time. Cups, too.

[bryan]

Well that was a very tempting picture there Belle Waring, yes indeedy, almost had me going, getting ready to analyze the cheesepie. I did in fact begin my analyzations with the posit that the square root of pie is the root of all evil. Then I realized "hey, I don't want to eat any damn pie with a square root in it!"

So then the trouble started. Belle Waring started popping up with her pie everywhere I went saying stuff like:

"Hello, Good Day, I am Belle Waring
try my cheese pie,
it is for sharing."

"the time is nigh, Belle Waring
Rush has told me cheese pies
are likely loaded up with sarin
I do not want the sarin cheese
I do not think that it will please
I do not want cheese pie with sarin
I fear it as I fear you, Belle Waring"

"there is no cheese with sarin in it
you can finish it if I begin it!
The topping is cherries, like on a pie
it is a cheesecake with cherries placed on high
try it now, try it please
this is somehow involved with cheese
As my name is and has been Belle Waring
There is no cheese and in it sarin
try the cheesecake it is for sharing
you can have it with peaches
or have it with herring
a cheesepie cake it is so daring
as am I, for my name is Belle Waring!"

"Listen Lady, the war on terror
indicates pie confusion is in error
you may think it very daring
but I will not have it with herring
I refuse the cakepie with cherries unsparing
I refuse it categorical, Belle Waring!"

"To refuse would be uncouth
cakey cherrycheese 100 proof.
Of the gods it is the food,
when the gods are in cherrycheese mood,
and to refuse the gods is to be erring
so eat the damn pie, my name is Belle Waring."

"Okay, Geez, as Homer wrote
about Achilles who often smote
upon various Pelopenesian cheeses
and attic cherries of yore,
lest you get sore, Belle Waring
lest you get sore
I will eat the damn pie
though it seems a chore"

takes the pie, eats messily

"umm, say Belle Waring
this cheese pie is really good for sharing
I'll take another slice, or ten
and come back for seconds
again and again
I will eat it forever it is so good,
I will eat at sea, I will eat in the woods
I will top it with sauerkraut
I will top it with Sarin
I will top it with herring
It is the top cheesecake Belle Waring
It is the best pie with cherry cheese
why are you staring?
"

"You ate it all, every bite
I don't think it's nice
I don't think it's right
nor erudite or polite
to eat a person's cherry cheese thingee thing
and not leave a single slice
it was a something or other
and it was for sharing
you are a very bad fellow, my name is Belle Waring
"

dang, now my diet is ruined.

[bryan]

hell, your name probably isn't pronounced wearing. Is it?

[Belle Waring]

Bryan, my name is totally pronounced "wearing".

[bryan]

that's good, i didn't want to have to rewrite the whole thing, replacing wearing rhymes with warring rhymes. although coming up with a cover story for the apocryphal wearing version might be fun.

[Mitch Mills]

"Chess Pie", which is cheesepie, more or less cheescake topping baked in a pastry crust.

Whatcha talkin bout Belle Waring?

Unless my grandma's been making it wrong all these years, ain't no cheese (or even milk) in chess pie.

Except in the sense that the filling is similar to e.g. lemon curd, sometimes also called "lemon cheese" by people (Brits naturally) with no sense of marketing. I guess it sort of has a cheesy texture, or it's a liquid which has been thickened, as milk is thickened with rennet to make cheese. And I think curd and custard are related etymologically.

[Belle Waring]

You're right, Mitch. I looked around and most of the recipes are lemon-curd-ish. I make it with buttermilk, though, and I just had a vague memory that the "chess" was from "cheese".

[fafnir]

Whatchoo talkin bout Belle? That cake is definitely a pie. And a delicious lookin pie! Oh, now I'm hungry for cheesecake, an all I have down here are monkeys and Giblets. "I call the monkeys," says Giblets. So very hungry.

[Richard]

A rather small forum I post on once managed to clock up about two hundred posts on precisely what constituted pie.

Be warned.

[Richard]

I mean, throw shepherd's pie into the discussion, and all bets are off.

[Mitch Mills]

Oh yeah, grandma makes an inCREDibly delicious pie that's like a chess pie but with buttermilk added. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. But I think we just call it "Buttermilk Pie". I'll have to check with her, maybe even go over and make one with her.

And I poked around in my cookbooks. Lots of variations on chess pie, some substituting vinegar for lemon juice, some with a little cornmeal added, several with buttermilk, and even one with cream added. So who knows, it may even have originally had cheese in it at some point, or at least the beginnnings of cheese, curdled milk.

Oh, and I checked and curd and custard don't seem to be related etymologically. Of course curd and curdle are. Custard is related to crust, crostata, etc.

Damn I'm hungry!

[ogged]

What am I, the polite, ignored girl? A pie has a doughy/crusty covering, a cake does not. Hence, cheesecake. From the OED definition of pie: "A dish composed of meat, fowl, fish, fruit, or vegetables, etc., enclosed in or covered with a layer of paste and baked."

You can torture "enclosed in" if you like, but I think the meaning is pretty plain. So yeah, fafnir is just monkey wrong, and this after I linked so approvingly a few days ago.

[Fontana Labs]

Ogged, dictionary definitions are the last refuge of a scoundrel, but in this case I'm on your side. The cheesecake has a crust base but not really a proper all-around-the-filling crust. Enclosure doesn't work for the 'open-faced' pies, like pumpkin, but even there there's an all-but-the-top crust. Close enough to count, I think.

[Theophylact]

I believe that "Mrs. Joy" (Irma S. Rombauer) discussed possible etymologies for "chess pie"; my favorite (but probably false) one it that it was "jes' pie."

[ogged]

Fontana, agreed. I left the OED out of my first comment, expecting universal acclamation and thanks, but then everyone ignored me, and damn, you can't ignore a blogger.

[FL]

How good that we agree. What's really sad about this whole thing is that we don't get 20-something comments on anything at that other blog and Belle does it with dessert.