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Doug

Back in the stone ages of the late 1980s, the small college I went to was quite explicit about the importance of argument, fairly well across the board: in philosophy of course, but also in English, in history, in economics, in religion, in political science and in foreign languages (at least once you started dealing with literature). We didn't do much arguing in astronomy, but that's about the only course I can think of where we didn't. And in mathematics, boy howdy did we do arguments. They were called proofs.

When I quit taking math, I noticed my arguments got less sharp in my major, poli sci. I think that's because if you can write reasonably well, you can hide the gaps in your argument in a political paper. In math, if there's a hole in your proof, there's a hole in your proof.

At grad school, which was actually somewhere you might have heard of, the importance of argument was even more explicit. But of course the bar was raised: not only did the argument have to be solid, it had to be about a question worth answering. The real arguments were about which questions were worth answering, and why; that is where things started to get interesting.

But to claim the centrality of argument is hidden is simply bonkers.

Rich Puchalsky

I think that Graff is conflating two different problems. One of them is "why Johnny can't argue" and has to do with either declining secondary education or the increase in the percentage of people who go to college -- one used to be able to assume that anyone who made it into a university understood certain basics about the academic culture of argument, and now one no longer can. The other is peculiar to literary studies, and has to do with its impenetrable jargon and the suspicion that there is nothing behind the jargon because nothing in a literary studies argument can be settled in any case.

I think that I'm basicly agreeing with you, although you've written as usual at enough length so that I'd find it hard to summarize exactly what I'm agreeing with.

So I'll just add some of the usual anecdotes. When I went to grad school in astrophysics (a field I don't practise now) people "taught the conflicts" in the way that Graff describes. For instance, there was an important conflict over whether the value of the Hubble constant was 50 or 100, with tremendous implications for just about everything in the field. And each camp had its adherents, and each camp scorned the faintheart who published a paper with the constant set to 75 for the time being. But no one doubted that there would eventually be observational evidence to firmly settle the issue, and everyone understood what the conflict was about.

Now, someone reading an academic paper on the subject might well have been confused by jargon. But one could always explain what was going on to someone in ordinary language if needed -- I know this because I occasionally had to when I TA'd basic astronomy courses. I don't know whether the same is really true of literary theory. I've tried to understand what's behind the jargon and I can't, nor have I been able to find someone who seems really interested in explaining it. (Although I should admit that I haven't looked that hard -- for instance, I've never taken a course).

And all the sneering doesn't help. Look at the cartoon that Graff includes in his introduction, with the two stereotypes blaming each other for hegemony and the destruction of tradition and so on. The idea of "sneering" is a stock one in anti-intellectual American culture, and the idea that so many literary theory conflicts come down to it helps to identify that subject with broader anti-intellectual stereotypes.

ben wolfson

Isn't the "imperialistic" move with theory and the avoidance of irrelevance of a type with the rise of the study of modern language literature (& the MLA), as opposed to classics, itself?

jholbo

Doug, I'm not sure whether you are saying that Graff (and I) are bonkers for saying that the centrality of argument in literary studies is not made explicit. Or whether you are just saying that not to make argument central is bonkers.

I guess I followed Graff a little too close for my own taste, on reflection. What he (and I) should have said is that in literary study there is official lip service paid to making 'an argument'. Nothing less would be properly scholarly, of course. But there is radical unclarity about what COUNTS as an argument. The short version of the reason why what counts as an argument is not clarified and is, near as I can figure, presently unclarifiable, is that literary studies culture encourages rather eclectic devotion to 'theory' - a bit from this, a bit from that. And some of it is nominally rationalistic and some of it is nominally irrationalistic, i.e. motivatived by counter-Enlightenment impulses or attitudes. But just mashing together rationalism and irrationalism creates a total mess in which it is quite unclear what could count as a reason for claiming anything. (This is a cartoonish portrait I have just drawn. But I think it is what Graff is talking about, not as clearly as he should. It's what I'm meaning to write about if I pursue the issue in another post.)

The big problem with what I just wrote is that it is perfectly possible to do work in literary studies without having your work encrusted with 'theory' ornamentation. But then, being literary criticism, the form of the argument - i.e. what you are doing when you sensitively appreciate and interpret, etc. - is quite difficult to pin down. So this rather dim argumentative light does not shine through the theory fog. It is also possible to be some sort of ruthless rationalist and theorize in the traditional sense of: offer general reasoned accounts. You won't be expelled from the guild. But you won't be setting the tone for the department either.

All too complicated to be handled in one comment.

jholbo

Ben, I'm honestly not sure. The question about when lit studies got - or has gotten - 'imperialistic' is something I need a better answer to.

des von bladet
as if it were reasonable to imply that everyone in the engineering department has been addled into activism by too much Foucault.

The engineers 'round here are keeping it Frankfurt Old Skool, for sure, while the Maths department is split between unreconstructed structuralistes (dont moi), late-Wittgensteinians and the inevitable rump of lumpen-Platonists.

They're all about the Foucault in geophysics, though.

Rich Puchalsky

"Imperialism" isn't restricted to just disciplines that are losing status. Look at the book Consilience, by E.O. Wilson, for instance, as an example of the doctrine that physics really explains everything. I think that as knowledge increases and different disciplines start to link, there's always the temptation for one to try to engulf the others. With "theory" I'd guess that it's of a piece with the emergence of social sciences like anthropology that started to force more knowledge of the extent of cultural variation into academic thought.

Amardeep Singh

I think Graff isn't excluding (or ignorant of) Philosophy so much as assuming what you're describing -- that Philosophers are somewhat immune to the kind of confusion about what constitutes rationality and "argument" that is so pervasive now in other fields in the humanities. But isn't it true that Philosophy is so often left out of the Culture Wars debates because the assumption is made (sometimes accurately) that academic Philosophers are always in some sense classicists?

What I find to be most interesting in the preface and first chapter of this book is actually not the stuff about teaching the value of "argument" (i.e., teaching students to be interested in our arguments) but the stuff about specialization. I think he still might be wrong on some points there. One point that definitely seems arguable is Graff's claim that America has become less anti-intellectual since the 1950s, or that academia is not in fact more paralyzed by specialization than ever. Techoncrats are now widely respected, but non-utilitarian thinking is still widely ignored or even scorned.

There's more to that, but I'm not sure I can make the point briefly. I'm working on a longer response on this for my blog for Wednesday...

Thanks for initiating (or rekindling) this debate.

McGruff

I'm on the literary end of the academic racket and I think you maybe even understate the problem, John. The imperialist/isolationist dynamic is a great way of framing the institutional issue, and I think you're quite right to suspect that there's a real, but deeply repressed anxiety about turf at issue. But I think you're also right to believe that the roots of the matter extend much further back than 1965 and in fact may be inextricable from the very effort to define literature as a particular field of academic study. The inevitable consequence of that definition was a need to figure out just what is distinctive about literature, and two basic answers (usually seen as inextricable) have long been prevalent: that literature is distinctive for its emphasis on form (or rhetoric or, more abstractly, language per se, or, the same thing, the materiality of the signifier) and that it represents a superior form of knowledge alternative to rationality. The whole history of modern literary criticism, in short, is profoundly romantic, and the post-'65 literary academy merely takes these tendencies to frequently silly extremes. Predecessors could be quite silly about these things too, with differences in tone and emphasis but oftentimes strikingly similar assumptions about the way an intimate familiarity with the special powers of literature gave one a superior vantage on the merely rational pursuits of the rest of the university and on a hopelessly lost society at large.

Hence, I think, the waffling between isolation and imperialism. Sometimes us literary types want to maintain cultic isolation to preserve ourselves from the rude uninitiated. Sometimes we want to bring the light to the world. Hence too what seems like Graff's incoherence. It's not just that literary academics have lost the sense of what counts as an argument in their discipline. I don't think they ever had one. To the extent it exists, it's a graft that hasn't taken very well.

Obviously, I think this is all pretty unfortunate. But I say this knowing that every year my discipline produces works of genuine scholarly rigor and insight, most of which aren't recognized outside the field (and oftentimes within it) because of the loud crashing of ignorant armies about.

newgrange

I think there's this basic cultural attitude that's endemic among American adolescents (that you're underestimating based on your experience in philosophy departments): the one thing that any student knows, the way they know the existence of gravity, is that [They] Have A Right To [Their] Fucking Opinion, and that any attempt to engage them in an argument is a form of oppression because you're Telling Them How To Think. They themselves don't need to know how to construct an argument because "It's Just My Fucking Opinion and It's Just as Good As Yours" is the ultimate, unanswerable response -- and it's no job of theirs to have a reason for that opinion.

Push too hard and you'll get a grudging, passive-aggressive "I suppose," accompanied by a slow silent burn at the affront to their dignity, or an outraged "Why do you always have to be right?" Because if you persist in offering arguments to someone who can't come up with one, then they Lost ... and if there's one thing you can't do in America, it's Lose.

I know at least one college graduate who still thinks like this -- who thinks, for gods sake, there's something offensive about newspapers endorsing political candidates ("I should be able to make up my own mind without them telling me What! To! Do!"). There are plenty of college graduates who think like this about every discipline except their own -- see the comments on this morning's thread on Pharyngula, e.g.

Those people sort of self-select out of philosophy very early on (tho there were a few in my first-year classes, as I recall); they're pretty much everywhere else.

Timothy Burke

I don't see why you think philosophy is excluded from Graff's analysis, on two fronts. The first is simple: hasn't Rorty's critique of academic philosophy rested on some very similar foundations? Now this may be exactly why Rorty is the philosopher that non-philosophers read and philosophers ignore, but I think this suggests that you can only say philosophy is outside of Graff's analysis by privileging the definition of academic philosophy that is best loved by those academic philosophers who see the discipline as coherent and bounded and perfectly systematic on its own terms.

The larger problem here that I think enters into many of these comments is that Graff's analysis in this chapter and throughout the book uncomfortably and sometimes confusedly moves between a critique of pedagogical presentations of academic discipliines and the interior landscape of scholarship itself. On the latter point, I think you can often suggest legitimately that he's either wrong or at least exaggerated in his claims.

But on the pedagogical point, I think he's absolutely dead-on, that the entrepreneurial architecture of the courses offered in the humanities and social sciences (including in many philosophy departments/majors) leaves students almost entirely on their own in terms of understanding the relationships between subjects, disciplines and theories. I think the example he gives of a student who goes from one class where a professor says something absolutely categorical about the ontological nature of the subjects at hand to another class where something equally categorical is said, without any institutional sense that these two courses exist in antagonistic or contradictory relation to one another, is absolutely valid. I think in most American universities, professors know very little about what is said in the classroom next door: classrooms and pedagogy are oddly private, individualized affairs.

Yes, I'm sure that there are crucial local exceptions, both in particular institutions and in particular disciplines. Our physics department here, for example, is extremely tight-knit and exceptionally collaborative in curricular development. But even such local exceptions don't contradict Graff's overall point--the relationship between what the physics department here teaches and what I teach is left entirely to a student who might have a class with them and a class with me. We do nothing systematically to cover, explain or explore the connections ourselves unless we're individually motivated to do so. We talk a confident line about how this is the nature of the liberal arts, about how such exploration fosters critical thinking, but like Graff I find myself increasingly skeptical that this functions as an alibi for many academics to avoid having to take a liberal arts approach within their own practice, to acquire literacies with what is done in other disciplines and other areas, or even within their own discipliine. There are nine history professors here, and there are many ways in which we are similar and many ways in which we are very dissimilar in our pedgagogical presentations of what history is, how it's done and why it matters. We have some vague consciousness of that ourselves, and probably all remark on it in our teaching, but I couldn't really say how much, how often or in what ways save for myself.

My colleague Mark Kuperberg teaches a class that I think is a terrific model but is rare even at an institution like this one that is fairly self-conscious about curricular issues and the nature of the liberal arts. It's called "How Economics Sees the World", and its explicit purpose is to demonstrate to students the disciplinary difference between how economics engages several key topics like education and health care that are "shared concerns" that appear prominently in other disciplines (such as political science, sociology, education, biology, engineering). He's trying to both teach how economics has a particular disciplinary way of seeing and to convene possible debates or discussions that students can carry with them into their other studies, that help explain or frame the interrelationships that students are otherwise left to puzzle out on their own. I think this point even applies to the sciences, which may offer extremely coherent views of their own terrain and the interconnections between subjects, but which don't think much (or think badly) in pedagogical terms about what happens when a student carries the sciences elsewhere.

The pedagogical point that Graff makes carries over to "the argument game" as well, I think. Philosophy may be unusually coherent about what argument is and why it matters, fair enough. But as an overall point about pedagogy I think it's a fair one. We vest the teaching of "argument" inside of various other things, writing most predominantly, without making it clear in many cases what the point of the whole enterprise is, or why "argument" functions the way that it does. This tends to make good writing almost a kind of fetish object: much desired, little explained. Students who've come from particular educational backgrounds where argument or writing are already privileged don't need the explanation, though even they'd benefit from it, I think. They just go about their business. But students who come from educational institutions where the purpose of writing is declarative or informational, basically to prove you did the homework, find the functioning of "argument" in the humanities to be really baffling. I see it all the time even here with a highly selective, talented student body, and one thing I consistently here from students is that some faculty are extremely non-transparent in the ways they explain what argument is and more importantly why it's good or valued. If they're non-transparent here, where pedagogy is if anything discussed too much and valued intensely by the institution, then I suspect the situation is much worse elsewhere.

So when Graff is talking about how we teach, I think he's really on to something. When he's talking about the interior of scholarly practice, perhaps much less so.

Lawrence White

John Guillory in Cultural Capital argues that the rise of theory compensates for the falling off of interest in literary texts, so that would be a strong support for John's point.

Keep in mind that high theory itself is already a dead letter. As a commenter noted on the related Crooked Timber thread, there are no jobs. Cultural criticism, on the other hand, is going great guns. Which means Foucault is still a recognized figure, somewhat, but Derrida is on his way out, & no one, I mean no one, reads deMan.

I went into my PhD program in 94 wanting to do American Literary Studies and found out that I had to do American Studies. Now I'm told everyone is doing Transnational Studies. If you thought deconstructive literary criticism was philosophically dodgy, you don't want to look at this stuff.

CR

That was me that LW just refered to (CT - no jobs).

OK - but what's this about transnational studies? If you're talking about some sort of theorization of the transnational, there's certainly room for philododge. But if you're simply talking about reading books from elsewhere, I can't really see what the issue is... And how it lines up with alleged deconstructive excesses...

I think this blur - between canon expansion and theory - happens all the time when the anti-theory avengers set to work. And it really is the window through things seem to seem politically suspect on the side of the anti-MLA (or whatever) folks... A la "We're not fond of Derrida, or of reading lit by brown people..."

Two separate problems, methinks. This is why the "post-colonial" job title has survived the great rationalization of the lit academy...

David Salmanson

To a certain extent I agree with Tim, and oddly, the recent AHR piece on Teaching History is relevant here in that Historians, when we teach, rarely articulate what it is we actually do when we look at a primary or secondary source so that it often looks like we are just making this shit up to someone who doesn't know how we do it.

The next piece of this though, is that currently my 10th grade can't or won't understand what a thesis is and how it connects to a controlling idea of a paragraph and how either of those connect to evidence. And I'm running out of ways to explain it to them.

Finally, as to the Oakland problem of theory (there is no there, there) well, usually there is something there. Keep an eye out for how historians adopt and use lit crit theory. To the extent that this stuff has a there, historians will find ways to use it to write history (we are always looking for new interpretive tools but not necessarily interpretive frameworks.)

Lawrence White

Transnational theory is a high imperialism: the cultural is political, therefore discussion of culture is discussion of politics. Hayden White, by the way, called this (world = text, therefore literary criticism = theory of everything) back in 1976 in his essay "The Absurdist Moment in Contemporary Literary Theory."

Canon expansion is cool, though there already was a discipline bringing in books from elsewhere, comparative literature. Which is the one place I think that high theory still has some traction. But as Guillory explains, the vein of new books dries up quickly. There are a small number of books aesthetically readable. In other words, only so many books are good. As John said, theory (& its successor, cultural criticism) has the professional advantage of opening up topics. If your running a diploma mill, you've got to have lots of dissertation topics. If you read for culture, & the book becomes a description of a socio-political situation, any book will do. So not only do you get an expansion of interpretative themes, you also get an expansion of discussible texts. Students in my program would be tickled pink when they found some moldering 19th novel in the library that hadn't been checked out in 50 years. In almost every case, there was good reason for the neglect.

McGruff

Well, there's nothing wrong with opening up topics per se, Lawrence. What's galling are the many occasions when less light than verbiage seems to be generated. I'd be the first person to agree that a lot of recent academic literary scholarship has been unproductive, but I think you're too quick to dismiss cultural criticism. After all, that's often what many of the great literary critics were pretty much doing and in my experience it's often what people are really interested in. They want to know about the meeting of artistry and history, when it appears in great works and in not so great. For all its failings I think this is one of the true contributions of the literary scholarship of recent decades. It's now easier to appreciate the artistry of a stylistically and generically wide range of texts than it once was. And it's now clear that there are serious intellectual questions that can be addressed by scholars who are able to address literary questions across a wide range of phenomenon, where they are genuinely significant. Maybe there's not a ton of great work of this sort being done, but there's a lot of very high quality stuff, and I'd be glad to give examples.

McGruff

btw, I've been out of college for 20 years, and I still remember the day (someday late in my sophomore year) when the bolt of lightning struck and I realized that papers were supposed to make arguments. Suddenly, college got a lot easier. My first reaction was to think: why didn't someone explain this.

Lawrence White

In my anger I do try to remember that much of the criticism I cherish has a wider vision than the merely aesthetic. But the stuff that gets me crazy doesn't even consider literature. It isn't expanding the literary, it's throwing it over.

jholbo

Very good discussion going on here, keep it up. I'm reading avidly but can't write avidly at the moment. An off-the-cuff response to Tim, who writes:

I don't see why you think philosophy is excluded from Graff's analysis, on two fronts. The first is simple: hasn't Rorty's critique of academic philosophy rested on some very similar foundations? Now this may be exactly why Rorty is the philosopher that non-philosophers read and philosophers ignore, but I think this suggests that you can only say philosophy is outside of Graff's analysis by privileging the definition of academic philosophy that is best loved by those academic philosophers who see the discipline as coherent and bounded and perfectly systematic on its own terms.

Let me just say that at one point (can't find it now) Graff just out and says it. 'You know, it may be that I'm really mostly talking about English departments'. It comes about half way through the book. So I think what I am saying about the scope of the man's project is not very controversial, nor did I mean it as a gotcha.

It may make this clearer if I add that I wasn't intending to advance any normative claim about how philosophy ought to be. So I can't have privileged any definition. I was giving my local knowledge-based, assessment of how things is, not ought. Philosophy departments are not remotely what Rorty would like them to be, if you want to put it that way. If they were the way Rorty wants them to be, they would probably have to deal with all the problems Graff talks about (maybe there would be compensating benefits as well, of course.) But they aren't, so they don't. I should also add that I don't think that the fact that Graff is writing about a much smaller domain than his title suggests is a dire criticism, just a data point worthy of note. (I was really just using it as a way to springboard into the whole imperialism/isolationism thing, which I think is important.)

My point can actually be a springboard into the rest of Tim's point, which I basically agree with. Tim is talking about curricular disorder and anarchy. I quite agree with his claim that there ought to be more order. (I'm a University of Chicago man. The core curriculum is the way to go.) Philosophy departments are marginally less disordered this way than other departments, but we have the anarchy problem, too. Students can sure wander through things in the wrong order and end up with transcripts that make no intellectual sense. The thing to see (and I do see that Tim sees it) is that this problem is substantially (but not totally) distinct from the methodological/theory anarchy point, which was more what I was focusing on. Philosophy is a good example because we have a high degree of basic consensus about how the game gets played. But we are a bit anarchic about teaching the game.

I more or less just long-windedly unpacked what I take Tim to be getting at when he says:

the book uncomfortably and sometimes confusedly moves between a critique of pedagogical presentations of academic disciplines and the interior landscape of scholarship itself.

Putting it one final way, Tim is hinting to me: doesn't the fact that you have the pedagogical problems, if not the interior landscape problems, make what Graff says apply to philosophy departments? I say: no. The fact that he is moving confusedly between A and B is bad enough in lit studies (and maybe the rest of the humanities) where A and B are at least both existent, although distinct. In philosophy, we've really only got A, so the degree of confusion generated by hallucinating the presence of B, then conflating it with A, becomes too great. Graff could not help us get our house in order. But I don't think he is trying to talk about philosophy departments anyway, so this doesn't bother me.

And of course philosophy has got 'interior landscaping' problems of its own. But they aren't the same ones as literary studies, not by a long shot.

Rich Puchalsky

The main point that was reinforced for me by Amardeep Singh's post is again that Graff is running into trouble by conflating the problem of poor preparation of incoming university students with that of how literary studies should relate to the rest of the educated universe.

I don't think that you can derive anything useful from the fact that freshman students are clueless. That doesn't necessarily mean that you, or your field, is doing anything wrong, except perhaps by underestimating how much remedial preparation is needed. Another anecdote: while TA'ing introductory astronomy, I ran into a student who breathlessly congratulated me on my explanation of what the Sun and Moon were. I asked her what she had thought they were. She replied that she had thought they were just "lights in the sky". This was a student from a firmly middle-class background, and she was a sort of intellectual survival from precivilizational times.

jholbo

Rich, that is a very bizarre story.

Rich Puchalsky

Well, it was at a state university which required that every student take one science course, and introductory astronomy was reputed to be the easiest science course, so we got everybody. On another occasion, I was doing a special study session that was made available to students before the first major test so that they could ask questions. Only six people showed up. I was trying to answer a question about scientific notation when it dawned on me that the reason for the guy's confusion was that he didn't know how to subtract a negative number. I was momentarily boggled; I had completely forgotten how I was taught basic arithmetic. Another bored student looked up from his newspaper and barked "Try the numbers line!" I gratefully thanked him for his suggestion and turned to the blackboard, where I showed the questioner (a fashion major, I later determined) how subtracting a negative number meant that you ended up adding it.

I do have a point in retailling these anecdotes. Since astrophysics is a hard science, people who teach it at the college level don't feel that they have anything to prove when these incidents occur. They don't send you on long anguished evaluations of what your field may be doing wrong that is causing so many to be clueless, and whether it's all because maybe your field is useless or something. You just shrug and put it down to the failure of secondary education.

Gerald Graff

I don't think John you've addressed Tim's point, that "Philsophy may be unusually coherent about what argument is about and why it matters," but this fact is irrelevant to the main concern of my book. This is that many students (including philosophy majors, I wager) (a) never even discover that doing academic work has something to do with argument (I love McGruff's post on this), or (b) are exposed to such different forms of argument in so many different guises and contexts (mixed in with anti-argument) and all with so little correlation by the institution that they come away with a very confused and inarticulate grasp of argument and everything else besides. (But all this is said much better and more carefully in my book, of course.)

The impression I get from this exchange, though, is that John and some of you others don't see the problem of cluelessness that I see or you don't see it as a problem, or at any rate a problem that somebody could do something about. Rich Puchalsky expresses this view most explicitly when he says it's all a "problem of poor preparation of incoming students." In other words, if there is cluelessness it's not our fault, so forget it.

This, I find, is the attitude of a great many college faculty, who must indeed be pretty bewildered by my book. But it was this attitude that I meant to challenge by writing the book.

One last point for John: in my experience the University of Chicago "core curriculum" is neither a core nor a curriculum. It's the same figure-it-out-for-yourself mixed-message business found everywhere else, but promoted by the U of C as if it were really coherent. See the U of C student I quote who says, "In humanities I bullshit. In social science I regurgitate."

Thank you all, though, for giving my book a run for its money, and you John especially for instigating this discussion!

Jerry Graff


McGruff

The fact that college freshman often can't write an essay or read a poem doesn't send me into anguished evaluations either. I assume those are worthwhile abilities and that, as a professor of English, it's my job to introduce a familiarity with them where they don't exist. Of course, it's very nice when you don't have to worry about teaching the rudiments--which is something that, I think for a range of reasons, even people like myself who are lucky to be in really soft gigs, encounter more than they maybe they once did.

Graff's take on all this seems to me (like a lot of his stuff), clever in some ways but often provincial. I think newgrange has a better sense of what's going on, and to rephrase earlier comments, I think there's a pretty direct reason that literary studies have been allergic to argument. It's that damned intentional fallacy. Boy, that was a bad idea--and a foundational one for postwar literary study in the academy. Once a writer's intention seemed unimportant to the meaning of a text, and a reader's reaction became everything, it was downhill from there. Alas, the theory works all too well for democratic education and a consumer economy.

To put this differently, John may be right that literary types don't really have a lot to argue about in the ways that philosophers do, but if we can't argue about what a text means then really we don't have anything to discuss at all and only something to express or experience.

I think this point is actually consistent with Lawrence's complaint about overthrowing literature. Ian Hunter once cleverly pointed out that the practitioners of the then faddish cultural studies looked a lot like the classic avant-gardes (surrealism, futurism, etc.) in wanting to destroy the museum so that art could be everywhere. Transferring the significant creative role from the writer to the audience accomplished a similar end. It let literature be wherever we looked.

jholbo

Hey, I've been busy futzing around with my MT Templates and didn't even notice that Gerald Graff himself showed up to join the discussion. Welcome, Gerald. This makes me extra pleased that I made all that noise above about being civil. Who knew that politeness could actually pay off in terms of a higher-toned debate? (I remember months ago I wrote a really toxically snarky attack on John McCumber, and then he showed in comments and I had to feel rather embarrassed. It's almost like I'm growing up or something. Who knew that blogging could teach manners?)

Anyway, now I very much want to continue the discussion and will try to do so, but I'm busy, busy today. Let me ask the author himself a couple questions, because the answers will effect how I frame my follow-up. (But it isn't any sort of trap, just a question about how he sees things, so I can discuss more efficiently.)

Gerald, you say I miss Tim's point and I see what you mean: you and he are concerned about curricular reform in response to a certain sort of 'cluelessness', which is a reasonable enough term for it. Roughly: students really don't have any idea how they are supposed to construct a liberal education for themselves, so leaving it to them to construct their own 'liberal education' at the entrepreneurial buffet bar of course offerings is rather negligent. (That's putting it too flatly, but have I got the gist?) I quite agree. Let me just grant you all that, for the purposes of the argument - but also because I really do agree.

I was really talking about something else, which is related and which you certainly are also concerned with in your book: the self-conception of literary studies. Or maybe I should say: the self-conception of all those portions of the humanities that are sort of uncomfortably in the post-Theory dumps. (Yes, I'm putting it crudely.) This subject has been beat to death, of course, but mostly in a polemical and unprofitable way. (I have contributed more than my share of polemics.) I would be curious to get your frank opinion, Gerald, about how it relates to the 'cluelessness' issue, as you frame it.

Let me narrow the focus a bit more. One of the only clear legacies of Theory in literary studies (and etc.) is a profound methodological eclecticism - a bit of this, bit of that; travelling theory; touch of J.L Austin, dab of Zizek. People say they are 'pragmatic' about theory. They 'take what they can use'. Crafty readers, Scholes calls them. But this is really quite unclear, especially when there are promiscuous borrowings from (putting it crudely once again) the Enlightenment and the counter-Enlightenment. I do not mean to belittle as frivolous the urge to make this synthesis. As old Fred Schlegel said: 'to have a system and not to have one are equally deadly to the spirit. It is necessary to combine the two.' There you have 'pragmatic' post-theory methodological eclecticism in a nutshell. The problem with it, mostly, is that it's not clear that it's better than a shell game. It isn't clear that it adds up to more than incompatible gestures. This is a very real and serious problem for literary studies as a discipline. Down to their bones, its inhabitants are unsure whether they are children of the Enlightenment or children of the counter-Enlightenment. Or, if they are both, how that can be managed. So they don't know, in the most basic sense, what COUNTS as an argument. (This is an exaggeration. It's not as though every lit studies paper gets dragged through this metaphysical mud.) And, of course, if the scholars themselves are profoundly uncertain about what they are willing to let count as an argument, teaching argument becomes a deeply problematic affair. In philosophy, we've got the Enlightenment vs. the counter-Enlightenment, too. It sometimes gets thumbnailed as analytic vs. continental, which isn't really satisfactory. But I think there is much more settled agreement about how to talk about it. (Of course settled agreement may be quite wrong. I'm not taking this as proof of superiority. Conversely, the fact that lit studies people are in crisis about how to be a servant to two masters - the Enlightenment and the counter-Enlightenment - doesn't show that they are unserious idiots.)

So what do you think? I'm looking for frankness here, and in exchange I'm promising to forego snarky 'gotchas' and uncharitable point scoring.

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