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ben wolfson

BoingBoing sux, and cliche has it that the (preteen) girls are all updating their LJs!!! or XANGAS!

ben wolfson

Also, all the dudes on the blogs have crushes on you, so not much has changed.

Vanessa

Can't I both read BoingBoing and have a LiveJournal, she asked plaintively? I swear that I'm no teenage girl. I just didn't bother to answer their survey.

But I do love me some giant squid.

Carlos

I'm surprised it's so high. Xeni Jardin got a lot of feel-the-hate when she joined BoingBoing, as far as I can tell mainly because of her chick status.

PZ Myers

WHAT??!? The ladies don't like the squid?

Where were you with this vital information when I was in high school?

You know, this does suddenly, illuminatingly explain a lot. Damn.

foo

When you say D&D of yore, do you have in mind a specific edition?

Russell Arben Fox

I'm sure Belle's was an old-school D&D purist, foo. Complete with the balrogs and everything.

foo

None of this "advanced" crap the younger kids play these days? Or even the re-issued "all-in-one" d&d they released, at some point? When I was born, they were still selling the rules in separate boxed sets, each one covering about 3-5 new levels. Does that mark me (still) as wet-behind-the-ears?

Julian Elson

AD&D doesn't even exist anymore. That was scrapped with 3rd edition, I think. Or 3.5.

There couldn't be any selection bias, here, could there be? Brash, macho, swaggering males boldly clicking on the "male" button and clicking on the "submit" button, while coy, submissive, gaze-averting females try to work up the courage to click on the "female" button, before deciding to click the "back" button and stay anonymous rather than identify themselves, even if just for a statistical survey?

Just kidding!

foo

It exists as a collection of dusty books in my closet, man. :-)

Joe o

This guy found out that he had a D&D module worth about $800 dollars.

Jim Treacher

"85.05% male, 13.79% female, 1.16% both/neither."

Just like Xeni! Hey now.

Argle

Xeni Jardin got a lot of feel-the-hate when she joined BoingBoing, as far as I can tell mainly because of her chick status.

The alternative theory is that it was because every other post from her was about f**king bukkake.

belle waring

jesus, people, why all the hate? we all hate on bukkake now, is that the problem? we're jealous that she got to go into space? I think Xeni kicks ass!

belle waring

seriously, having dyed blonde hair and red lipstick is a problem? interest in porn is a problem? Interest in geeky tech issues? I'm having trouble seeing the difficulties here.

Jacob T. Levy

AD&D doesn't even exist anymore. That was scrapped with 3rd edition, I think.

Hm-- I'd say AD&D is all that exists now. 2e, 3e, and 3.5e are pretty clearly descendants of AD&D, not of the Basic-Expert-Companion-Masters sequence that came in the color-coded boxes for each new batch of levels. The titles on a bunch of the core hardcover rulebooks even remain the same; and the ways that AD&D differed from Basic (monks, barbarians, good-evil alignment axis, psionics) remain present in 3.5e.

Russell Arben Fox

Jacob's right; "D&D," the Gygax-created original game, hasn't existed for a couple of decades or more, and of the two primary off-shoots--the supposedly streamlined Basic/Expert D&D, and AD&D, the game we all played--only the latter survives in any form.

When the 3rd edition rolled out, after Wizards of the Coast bought out TSR, I spent a few hours in a bookstore, looking over it all; I was impressed, and nearly started rebuilding my collection, though I had neither the time nor the opportunity to play. I wasn't aware there was now a 3.5e. Is it a whole new set of books, or just some supplements?

Jacob T. Levy

Is it a whole new set of books, or just some supplements?

It's new (but not very different) books for the core three rulebooks, and as new books are printed they're tweaked to match the rule adjustments. 3.5 is supposed to be basically interplayable with 3.0-- people can adopt 3.5 elements piecemeal without buying the new books.

Carlos

Like I said. Some flamboyant self-promoting woman shows an interest in porn and tech and blowing shit up, and the fanboisie _just can't deal_. "Please Cory, could you get rid of Xeni and go back to telling us about the useful things you found in Toronto dumpsters? She threatens our self-image and WE DON'T KNOW WHY!"

Assholes.

foo

"D&D," the Gygax-created original game, hasn't existed for a couple of decades or more, and of the two primary off-shoots--the supposedly streamlined Basic/Expert D&D, and AD&D, the game we all played--only the latter survives in any form.

This isn't completely true, right? I mean, if we're talking about "survival," TSR released a repackaged version of the Basic/Expert boxed sets as a "Rules Cyclopedia," (this was at the same time that AD&D 2nd edition was current) -- those are definitely still floating around. Hell, I've got at least one of 'em.

But if we're talking about 'survived' in the sense of, TSR/WotC is still distributing them... well, doesn't "Mystara," one of the original worlds which was developed over the course of the Basic/Expert boxed sets, still exist? Aren't products still written for it; wasn't it ported to one of the newer systems, at some point?

(This was, for me, truly the moment when it all jumped the shark...)

So part of the older game is still alive, at least. On the other hand, maybe I'm too much of a Levy/Fox fanboy here -- correct me if I've got my not-quite-ancient-TSR-history wrong here?

Another Damned Medievalist

A serious question that came up between me and some other bloggers at AHA -- where are all the bloggers of color?

Doctor Slack

interest in porn is a problem?

BoingBoing is a pretty foreign universe to me, so I have no idea who Xeni is or if what's claimed about her is true. But I'd note that I find people -- male or female -- who are obsessed with (as opposed to just "interested in" or "comfortable with") porn pretty damned creepy, and I'm probably not alone. Could be that Xeni's being unjustly pilloried, however.

A serious question that came up between me and some other bloggers at AHA -- where are all the bloggers of color?

Seems to me it should be possible to do a "fun" routine on this in the vein of the periodical Drum or Yglesias "Were are all the women bloggers?" flamefests. To match the tone and tenor, someone should ideally kick off the downward spiral with an "I'm a blogger of colour and you're all too wrapped up in your elitist whitebread world to notice" rejoinder, and then go on to act shocked and dismayed when other people get hostile with them as a result... but I don't have the heart (and anyway my blog's been dormant since '03). Steve Gilliard might be willing to oblige you, though.

Matt Weiner

As with the perennial kerfuffle over women's blogs, you can probably find some blogs by black people if you look hard enough. (Latinos too--someone named Koz or something. Kaus? Nah.) I went to Pam's House Blend, clicked on the link to That Colored Fella's Weblog, and he's got a list of bloggers of color.

Doctor Slack

Oh, hang on: Xeni Jardin as in the tech journalist who also writes for Wired. How about that, then, I actually agree with Carlos.

Doctor Slack

Yeah, tell me about it.

Pithlord

The brilliant innovation of AD&D, since adopted by a thousand Internet political mapping tests, was the two-dimensional alignment. You could get a lot of insight trying to figure out what the "lawful evil" had in common with the "chaotic good" and vice versa.

ben wolfson

(Latinos too--someone named Koz or something. Kaus? Nah.)

I thought he was Greek?

Matt Weiner

I believe that Markos Moulitsas Zuniga's father is Greek and his mother El Salvadoran. He moved to El Salvador at a very young age after being born in Chicago. He may or may not self-identify as Latino, I guess, but I think his name is worth mentioning if you're looking for bloggers of color.

Carlos

DS, based on your behavior here and elsewhere, I'd put you right next to the Xeni-haters. "But I'm not like them, really! I *like* women! Watch me disrespect women as I _prove_ it to you!"

So, yeah, ew. double ew.

Carlos

Incidentally, I'm a blogger of color, and you're too wrapped up in your whitebread world to notice.

foo

The other innovation of AD&D was the separation of 'race' from 'class.' Prior to that, something like 'elf' was both a race and a class unto itself (what might be later called a fighter/mage), while only humans were allowed to choose a true variety of career paths.

Doctor Slack

DS, based on your behavior here and elsewhere, I'd put you right next to the Xeni-haters.

Yes, I know you're still a kook, Carlos. Hence the "ew" from my end. Let's try and stay out of the mudpit just this once, though, eh?

Doctor Slack

He may or may not self-identify as Latino, I guess, but I think his name is worth mentioning if you're looking for bloggers of color.

I wonder if ADM didn't have more in mind someone who blogs specifically about race-related issues and/or perspectives of people of colour. I wasn't just being snarky in mentioning Gilliard, I think he's actually quite good on this (though I'm not sure to what extent he links to other such resources). Black Looks is also excellent.

Carlos

Doc Slack, when Belle asked you directly to stop posting about your sex-related hot button, did you? No. You kept on, and on, and on, because you thought we needed your invaluable opinions on the topic.

I guess in Bizarro World, that's a form of respect! I prefer Kirby World myself.

Doctor Slack

Doc Slack, when Belle asked you directly to stop posting about your sex-related hot button, did you?

It was in fact belle's request that basically ended that debate; anyone who really cares can of course look at the thread to verify. Guess you missed that step?

Par for the course.

Carlos

Let's see. Belle said, "yeah, I sort of feel like I might have heard enough from Dr. Slack for a while."

So in response, what did you do? Post. Fourteen minutes after she asked you not to.

I think it's pretty clear from the previous comment thread that you disrespect women in general; but you disrespected Belle there specifically.

I'm sure I'l get some more whiny-ass titty-baby blahblahblah from you. Just make sure to wipe up when you're done.

Doctor Slack

So in response, what did you do? Post. Fourteen minutes after she asked you not to.

I suppose a brief acknowledgment post is "disrespect" in Kirby World, as is all disagreement. No surprises there; as I said, I know you're still a kook.

I do have to say I find your obsession with the disposition of other people's bodily fluids pretty amusing, in a creepy sort of way. As for respecting "women in general": your over-the-top censoriousness suggests to me that you protest just a wee bit too much. But that's your problem.

djw

First time was tragedy, second time farce.

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