When Misogynists Put Their Cards On The Table

First, let's just all take a moment to chuckle silently at the fact that noted internet misogynist "Kim du Toit" is named, well, Kim du Toit. I realize that this reaction isn't very fair, or mature, but--oh, frak it: HAHAHAHA. Moving on, from the comments to this post (ably mocked here):

How do we fix it?

How can we restore the social pressure for men to marry and have children?  How do we restore the pressure to be attentive fathers?  If we don’t, our society is doomed.

I don’t think you can.  It’s a Pandora’s Box.  With birth control it became possible to de-couple sex from marriage.  In days past, a couple girls would get pregnant and sent off to the bad girls school, scaring the rest enough to minimize the appeal of single promiscuity and encourage marriage as a safe outlet for the natural desires.  People got married at 18-20 and in the natural course had babies and joined the community. [ahistorical, cruel--he's got it all going on!]

Now men and women engage in serial promiscuity until the women hit their 30s and then, like a switch, the biological clock starts ticking and they demand that men change and form families with them.  Trouble is that for men (1) the biological clock hasn’t hit so they aren’t motivated to change; and (2) the madonna/whore complex is ingrained, so the type of promiscuous woman they wanted to date is not the type of woman they want to marry, and the latter pools has shrunk almost to nothing these days. 

When you throw on top of this an economy that routinely requires people to move (breaking up communities) and a legal system that dramatically raises the costs of marriage for men (no fault divorce), you get what we have today - a sea of individuals with little or no connection to family or society.

The only way to change this would be to make promiscuity “costly” again, especially for females (the gatekeepers of sex).  But there is zero political will to do this, so it will not happen.  In the end, America faces the fate of mythical Atlantis - a great society destroyed because it discovered a power (control over reproduction) it did not have the wisdom to use.

I'd write some snarky thing like "shorter crazy person: PUNISH THE SLUTS!", but it actually just says that, so... It's also important to consider that, setting aside the whole swallowed by the waves thing, Atlantis was pretty awesome. I'm sure I'm due some kind of telekinetic crystals and a unicorn, or a super-intelligent dolphin whose soul is telepathically linked with mine, or something as a bonus on top of the consequences-free sex that everyone who can actually get laid enjoys. The cramped-souled hatred of all that is good in human life required to consider birth control a bad thing is truly staggering.

 

 

Comments

[The Modesto Kid]

I can see some potential in "the gatekeepers of sex" -- might be developed into a cool, sort of Justice Leaguey comic.

[The Modesto Kid]

(Oh, no! Obviously the gatekeepers of sex would work at The Museum of Sex!)

[Rich Puchalsky]

Please, next time, don't bother linking to the original post. Compulsive link-clicking should not lead to loss of brain cells...

In particular, what struck me about his "argument" (you see? I can't help but give him an argument-in-quotes now) is that it isn't even consistently loony. He complains that women are having casual sex. Then he complains that you can't flirt at work due to sexual harassment law, and that if you have casual sex, a woman may pursue you forever for child support. Can't he settle on one coherent form of misogyny long enough for just one blog post?

[LizardBreath]

Oh, god, I read the comments and now I'm sick. There's someone in there complaining about how ungentlemanly men treat his/her 20 year old daughter. And then mentions in passing that the daughter hasn't got a centerfold body, so she's going to have to get that surgically fixed. I'm sitting here repeating to myself: "No one thinks like that, trolling is trolling."

[Cala]

You know, it didn't even work like that. The girl went away for a year, visiting an aunt or whatnot, and it generally wasn't discussed. So much for the deterrent effect.

Actually, overall, it's like the guy lives in a different reality. I know plenty of people who have married after having premarital sex!!11! Some even married the person they sexed premaritally! Where is this guy coming from that the only reason that men get married is that their teenaged girlfriend got knocked up and they had to, or that someone else's teenaged girlfriend got knocked up so they had to?

The guy's going to end up blaming feminist for the fact his Russian bride left him, I just know it.

[ben wolfson]

I think we know the model he's probably going to follow.

[Doctor Memory]

Ben: weirdly (and unbelievably-except-it's-true), du Toit is actually married. His wife also blogs.

[dsquared]

If you want this kind of thing a) with an added dollop of crude Islamophobia and b) from one of Britain's leading novelists of the 1980s and Seriousest Thinkers, google the phrase "has feminism cost us europe?"

[¡El Gato Negro!]

The only way to change this would be to make promiscuity “costly” again, especially for females (the gatekeepers of sex).

The substitution of the word "females", for the more proper "women", is always such an easy tell. It's a bit like "Where's Waldo?", only less time-consuming, no?

[belle waring]

wow, dsquared, what an incredible fucking wanker amis is.

[Dave M]

The thing Ben linked to is wild. Apparently Vegas strippers (and/or "Hispanics") are *real* women.

As for the Gatekeepers of Sex, I like the Justice League idea.

[Kaleberg]

For crying out loud. Are those people still alive? Only half of all first time brides in the United States were virgins back in 19-farking-20! If my father's stories of the Great Depression are to be believed no one could afford to have children, but they could sure afford latex condoms.

I guess when you start hitting 300 you get a whole different attitude towards sex.

[Sigivald]

What part of what Kim said is misogynist?

Or is he to be condemned because you don't like a commenter's words, answering a question Kim didn't even ask?

(Furthermore, I note no actual argument against happycynic's argument, by anyone.

He didn't say "birth control is a bad thing". He said it had some bad consequences, which he detailed, and that nobody's even tried to argue against.

The reason for which seems, from where I stand, because he's right even though you don't like it. Heck, I wish he wasn't right, myself.

But wishing that birth control hadn't radically changed the social dynamic won't modify the fact that it has - don't modern feminists still promote that change as a good thing?

Is the problem really only that his comment broke with feminist orthodoxy? And can it really be true that nobody has a better argument against it than "I don't like it"?)

[The Modesto Kid]

It's true -- no-one also made any actual argument against Mr. du Toit's thesis that the Western Male is becoming Pussified by means of tv shows making fun of him.