Please note that a new comment policy is in effect. See sidebar. Now. To work. I'm supposed to review the new Zizek book, The Parallax View (short circuits)
, for The Common Review. (Adam K. groans. Hey, what can I say? They asked, I said yes.) Zizek is now writing about David Chalmers (who has a wonderful home page and even one of those new-fangled blogs.)
One of my colleagues looks over my shoulder, as I remark Zizek's foray into analytic philosophy. "He knows about Chalmers?" Can you imagine my response? But my question for you, dubbleyou, concerns Zizek on Heidegger:
So when David Chalmers proposes that the basis of consciousness will have to be found in a new, additional, fundamental - primordial and irreducible - force of nature, like gravity or electromagnetism, something like an elementary (self)-sentience or awareness, does he not thereby provide a new proof of how idealism coincides with vulgar materialism? Does he not precisely miss the pure ideality of (self)-awareness? This is where the topic of finitude in the strict Heideggerian sense should be mobilized: if we try to conceive of consciousness within an ontologically fully realized field of reality, it can only appear as an additional positive moment; but what about linking consciousness to the very finitude, ontological incompleteness, of the human being, to its being originally out-of-joint, thrown-into, exposed to, an overwhelming constellation? (p. 168)
Yes, yes I know - Chalmers stuff already messed up six ways to Sunday. Chalmers nothing like a vulgar materialist. More like a Spinozist, if you ask me. (People said Spinoza was a vulgar materialist, too, come to think of it. But there is just no dragging some people to philosophy. Also, I think it is rather sloppy form of Zizek to footnote only Chalmers' whole bloody book, The Conscious Mind, rather than - say - a section, page, or even chapter, so that the inquiring reader might inquire after the alleged vulgarity in moderately efficient fashion.) Ok, ok, I'll include a footnote about the Chalmers. You twisted my arm.
But first, what's with the Heidegger stuff? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything here. "Mobilizing the topic of finitude"? That means: talking about death, right? For Heidegger, 'finitude' is 'being towards death'. Right? We may not understand what Heidegger means, but whatever he means by 'finitude' is the same as whatever he means by the other thing. I'm just trying to be sure that there isn't some completely other, important topic of 'finitude' in Heidegger. So Zizek is trying to make some point about how, if consciousness is finite, i.e. mortal, then Chalmers cannot possibly be right with his gestures towards panpsychism. (And it looks to me as though the argument is: your conclusion is wrong, because Heidegger's conclusion is right, so your argument must be wrong.)
What about "ontologically fully realized field of reality"? This is not ringing any Heideggerian bells in my belfry. 'Fully-realized reality'? Sounds like - I dunno - Plotinus. Plenitude and emanations and degrees of reality. More Platonic than Heideggerian. It doesn't sound like Heideggerese, but please correct me if I'm wrong. It sounds as though what Zizek is getting at, anyway, is a sort of Berkeleyan argument that you cannot conceive of a consciousnessless reality. For tree falling in the forest-type reasons, basically. If a reality exists, and no one is there for it to disclose itself to, is it? Suggested answer: no. Yet the point isn't that, then, we subjects are the world-subject, in any transcendental way. Rather, we are still "thrown into, exposed to". I think I can sort of grok what we are supposed to be agreeing to here, though I certainly don't , but the phrase nags: "ontologically fully realized field of reality"? Why put it that way?
[Oh, wait, there's more stuff about Heidegger on finitude on pp. 273-4. I'll get back to you, but I still want to know aboout 'fully realized reality'.]
I must say I am sincerely disappointed that there is no discussion of Pakula's The Parallax View [Amazon] - on sale for only $6.99!
It turns out that the DVD version is probably much better than the old
VHS version, the only way I've ever seen it. Pakula goes for the flat,
long-lens, middle-distance look - in Klute, or example. Very chilly. Composed. Good. I never thought Parallax looked as good as Klute,
however. Now (from reader Amazon comments, admittedly an unreliable
source) I learn that's probably because the VHS version messed it all
up in some misbegotten attempt to fit my TV screen with pan-and-scan.
Tagline: "He saw too much". Alas, I fear we did not see enough!
Zizek's book is in this new 'short circuits' series he's gotten MIT to give him. "'Short circuits' intends to revive a practice of reading which confronts a classic text, author, or notion with its own hidden presuppositions, and thus reveals its disavowed truth." Eh. 'Revive'? Isn't that rather presumptuous? Like the man sang, "Well, you know/We're all doing what we can." I notice that Short Circuit is only $5.99 (marked down 40%). It's got a loooong way to go. Still. It's relevant. Is not the event which number 5 undergoes some sort of important metaphor of 'thrown-ness'? As the summary puts it. "He develops self-awareness, consciousness, and a fear of the reprogramming that awaits him back at the factory. With the help of a young woman, Number 5 tries to evade capture and convince his creator that he has truly become alive."
Why is it these sentimental SF productions are always hung up about life being the issue? A carrot is alive. (Still, I do like the moment in The Fifth Element when the big turtle-y alien passes Luke Perry the key through the gap: 'time does not matter, only life matters.' I get all verklempt, if not entworfen.)
But say what you will about Republican 'incompetence'. At least they repealed the law that said every movie had to have Steve Guttenberg in it. (You see what I mean?)
My subconscious is telling me I stole that joke from someone, but now I can't remember. Maybe I've just used it before.
Now, Chalmers. If you don't believe me about Chalmers being sort of a Spinozist-y sort of fellow, read something like his "Consciousness and its Place in Nature" piece. The view that Zizek seems to be mistaking for 'vulgar' materialism - i.e. materialism that does not consider other possible views, hence has its face rocked by coincidence with idealism - is what Chalmers calls Type-F Monism. (He thinks that since C.D. Broad's day, the range of potentially defensible types of view of the place of consciousness/mind in nature has winnowed from 17 to 6 - A - F.) The view Chalmers' is tempted by (but doesn't decisively stump for, because there are other possibilities) which Zizek appears to be talking about in the passage is Type-F Monism. I report, you decide:
At the same time, there is another metaphysical problem: how can phenomenal properties be integrated with the physical world? Phenomenal properties seem to be intrinsic properties that are hard to fit in with the structural/dynamic character of physical theory; and arguably, they are the only intrinsic properties that we have direct knowledge of. Russell's insight was that we might solve both these problems at once. Perhaps the intrinsic properties of the physical world are themselves phenomenal properties. Or perhaps the intrinsic properties of the physical world are not phenomenal properties, but nevertheless constitute phenomenal properties: that is, perhaps they are protophenomenal properties. If so, then consciousness and physical reality are deeply intertwined.
This view holds the promise of integrating phenomenal and physical properties very tightly in the natural world. Here, nature consists of entities with intrinsic (proto)phenomenal qualities standing in causal relations within a spacetime manifold. Physics as we know it emerges from the relations between these entities, whereas consciousness as we know it emerges from their intrinsic nature. As a bonus, this view is perfectly compatible with the causal closure of the microphysical, and indeed with existing physical laws. The view can retain the structure of physical theory as it already exists; it simply supplements this structure with an intrinsic nature. And the view acknowledges a clear causal role for consciousness in the physical world: (proto)phenomenal properties serve as the ultimate categorical basis of all physical causation.
This view has elements in common with both materialism and dualism. From one perspective, it can be seen as a sort of materialism. If one holds that physical terms refer not to dispositional properties but the underlying intrinsic properties, then the protophenomenal properties can be seen as physical properties, thus preserving a sort of materialism. From another perspective, it can be seen as a sort of dualism. The view acknowledges phenomenal or protophenomenal properties as ontologically fundamental, and it retains an underlying duality between structural-dispositional properties (those directly characterized in physical theory) and intrinsic protophenomenal properties (those responsible for consciousness). One might suggest that while the view arguably fits the letter of materialism, it shares the spirit of antimaterialism.
In its protophenomenal form, the view can be seen as a sort of neutral monism: there are underlying neutral properties X (the protophenomenal properties), such that the X properties are simultaneously responsible for constituting the physical domain (by their relations) and the phenomenal domain (by their collective intrinsic nature). In its phenomenal form, can be seen as a sort of idealism, such that mental properties constitute physical properties, although these need not be mental properties in the mind of an observer, and they may need to be supplemented by causal and spatiotemporal properties in addition. One could also characterize this form of the view as a sort of panpsychism, with phenomenal properties ubiquitous at the fundamental level. One could give the view in its most general form the name panprotopsychism, with either protophenomenal or phenomenal properties underlying all of physical reality.
Then he starts in with the zombies. So I'll stop.
You know that Stevie Nicks song on Tusk that goes something like "sister of the mooon!" Sometimes people describe that as hyper-romantic.
I think we need a different term. "Kitsch" isn't it.
Posted by: Jonathan | May 23, 2006 at 11:35 PM
Shawltastic!
Posted by: jholbo | May 23, 2006 at 11:37 PM
You will be interested to know that my iPod indicates that I have listened to the previously unreleased version of "Sisters of the Moon" 6 times, since I purchased the CD version [see sidebar] that has a lot of extra tracks. All the Lindsey Buckingham tracks are just tremendous. A sort of toy piano version of "That's All For Everything". It's my new favorite album. There are three new versions of "I know I'm not wrong", which I have listened to - together with the original - a total of 44 times since I purchased the disk. There's a version of "Honey Hi" with a beautiful Shuggie Otis keyboard thing.
Posted by: jholbo | May 23, 2006 at 11:45 PM
Of course this thread already contains, like, 304 versions of "I Know I'm not Wrong", so yeah, I should have seen that one coming.
Posted by: jholbo | May 23, 2006 at 11:51 PM
The term rather neutrally - albeit vaguely - picks out a subject, and then people disagree about it. We got a lot of resistance to the very use of 'theory' during the event, but that's like neocons telling people that there are no neocons. It's just a way to prevent criticism.
Hm...
Wow, John. Honestly, one just has to suspect you know this isn't true, if you are to be given any credit.
One could pull up the appropriate links, I suppose. After all, having myself often qualified, rather explicitly, the "resistance" in question to be directed against your manner of deployment of this popular word, i.e., your supporting arguments, and the limits or inaccuracies of your framing, etc. But maybe Rich will oblige. (Or I suppose one could just google "Theory's Empire.")
It's too bad the Spinoza question was lost, as this might have been an interesting discussion yet.
(As an aside, how a term ever "neutrally" picks out a subject in anything but the most limited, idealized fashion, before it accrues meaning through repetition, use and context (some of which, needless to say, rather preceeds the fact), one hesitates to ask.)
In any case, this strikes me as a rather transparent straw-manning of your occasional blog critics. Perhaps the neocon and Horowitz analogies are likewise meant to insult them, or bait people into "being rude," and so further sink these threads into distraction.
The analogies don't work for a simple reason. Nobody has ever denied the existence of the colophon "Theory."
Your position, however, insists on making it into more than a colophon.
So it's unfortunate you haven't taken the opportunity, offered above by Doctor Slack, to admit any change of heart in this regard.
Yes, one could justify this "neutral" use in various ways, of course. One could say, for instance, that "Theory" is also that which is championed by "Theorists" themselves, whole-heartedly, and without a whiff of irony, qualification or polemic directed toward those who have, increasingly during the last two decades, deployed it as lazy, anti-intellectual pejorative. (One would still be mostly wrong, but one certainly could.)
Once again, the poor reputation within academia may indeed be earned - since the beginning of this debate I've often called most of Theory "atrocious" - but that doesn't make the pejorative, invoked by itself, any less a pejorative. One can criticize an academic taste culture by itself, of course (and there are perhaps more productive ways of doing so), but unless one is engaging with the ideas themselves, this critique will remain limited, polemical and popular.
One might look at it this way: the taste culture is philistine, so also your critique of it, as long as it refrains from more substantial and patient engagement with ideas, or demonstrating a deeper knoweldge of the tradition, will likely be so.
Now, both you and Scott have engaged also with ideas, at times. The things you eventually say are sometimes debated without these polemical stakes over Theory muddling matters. More often they are not. People tend to point out where your reading of various thinkers is flawed. But because rather than discussing (continental) philosophy, the stakes are always brought back to Theory, one cannot help suspect this is mostly a waste of your critics' time.)
I suppose it has to do with your intended audience, John, which I take to be someone like Brian Leiter, i.e., an academic already sympathetic to your aims. Or a broader public, composed of people looking for yet another reason not to read Derrida. Not being a continental philosopher yourself, and judging from everything you have eventually said in the way of supporting argument, yours will be a very popular (and quite dismissive) "history of Theory." I take this to be a fairly obvious point. (After all, you begin with some relatively obscure and outdated piece of Terry Eagleton from twenty years ago.)
I guess it really comes down to: what are you LOOKING for?
Indeed, so it would seem.
Posted by: Matt | May 24, 2006 at 02:36 AM
Naw. This is simply prolonged "avoidance behavior" in regards to Chalmers' arguments in favor of immaterialism:
ghost or not ghost
T v F
(f)
next?
Posted by: Mike | May 24, 2006 at 03:22 AM
Okay. Back from the long weekend for one last go at this thread.
Since I've opened multiple cans of worms at once, my answer is necessarily going to be long. Again. In fact, believe it or not, this here is the short version.
(I see Matt has anticipated a bit of this, but never mind...)
1. To be more clear about what I'm still confused about re: "Theory" -- well, the "analogy" that confused you was an attempt to reproduce certain points you've previously used to characterize "Theory," transposed into a discussion of "Philosophy." So, I'm confused as to why you took that to be an occasion to talk about the "T-to-t fallacy," first off. But leaving that aside:
Do you not understand what the scope of my subject matter is supposed to be?
I understand the scope of your subject matter to be a "Theory" which you contend begins, proper, in the 1960s. If in fact you believe "Theory" as a distinct field to have started around that time, I don't understand why; do Russian Formalism and the New Criticism not qualify as theory, for instance? If not, why not?
I understand you to have contended, and presumably still to contend, that the term "Theory" picks out a style as well as a period, and that style is meant as both an aesthetic and intellectual term. I'm puzzled by what this means, particularly since what seems to me the defining characteristic of theory since the 1960s is very much the lack of a common style, critical vocabulary or intellectual approach, an environment in which people often seem to have extreme difficulty simply reading or speaking to each other.
I understand you to contend that the bulk of theory descends from counter-Enlightenment and related Romantic traditions, which is a curious and tantalizing claim that I have no way of assessing at present. (I tend to wonder how true it is that theorists (they are out there) who claim to be tilting against "the Enlightenment" are really doing so.)
As for the "Patai & Corral" type of complaint about theory, forget about it. Unless I'm told otherwise, I will understand you not to be saying any such thing.
Does that help?
2. "Definition": my general puzzlement about John's proclaimed hostility to definition ties into a broader issue than my own confusions about the usages of "Theory" or "Higher Eclecticism." This digression actually isn't very interesting, but I feel compelled to try to clarify.
John says: I guess I feel that my writing on the subject has contained enough examples that I sort of figured you were looking, instead, for a definition that would not only be clear but capable of a significant level of self-defense.
"Self-defense" is not really the role of definition, as I think you know; its role is more as a starting point for discussion and (hopefully) as a time-saving mechanism, a way of ruling out some of the more common misconceptions about how a term is used, or at least spelling out some of the possible ambiguities that parties to the debate might be working with.
Since definition helps to frame or provide a starting point for debate, I don't see how refusing to engage in it because it might lead to error is useful, given that error is just as easy to come by in working without it. This is particularly true in an environment like the debate over theory or over specific theorists, where past critics of "Theory" have often rather queered the pitch for you with disproportionate amounts of incurious and intellectually lazy engagement.
I was adducing the Spivak thread Rich quoted as an example of the kind of misreading that definition might help to ameloriate (and not by way of making excuses for psychoanalytic gamesmanship); basically, in the absence of a defined starting point, what happened there was people trying loosely to figure out what your "tone poem" criticism was driving at -- and it seemed a mixed bag, with rather superficial criticisms like "dramatic miscalculation" alongside much more interesting critiques of Spivak's argumentative integrity. Someone who was led, by the "aesthetic" framing of the criticism, to overweight the former could easily have mistaken it for a version of the "Bad Writing" critique. I suspect that just such a mistake prompted the casting about for "what's really going on" in the post Rich linked to.
Now, people are always going to make mistakes and misread you from time to time. But could the frustrations you experienced in that and other contexts have been ameliorated if your approach had been to briefly and contingently define "the Higher Eclecticism" instead of directing readers to this or that thread because you're sick of talking about it? I think maybe so. That's all I'm saying.
Posted by: Doctor Slack | May 24, 2006 at 04:08 AM
Slack writes: "To be more clear about what I'm still confused about re: "Theory" -- well, the "analogy" that confused you was an attempt to reproduce certain points you've previously used to characterize "Theory," transposed into a discussion of "Philosophy." So, I'm confused as to why you took that to be an occasion to talk about the "T-to-t fallacy," first off."
I was puzzled by the analogy because I myself made the same analogy in my T-t discussion, and so I was unclear how you thought it cut AGAINST my point. (I'm still not seeing it, but perhaps it isn't important.)
Slack continues:
'I understand the scope of your subject matter to be a "Theory" which you contend begins, proper, in the 1960s. If in fact you believe "Theory" as a distinct field to have started around that time, I don't understand why; do Russian Formalism and the New Criticism not qualify as theory, for instance? If not, why not?"'
For the same reason that Descartes isn't an 'analytic' philosopher even though he plausibly analyzed a few things in his time. 'Analytic' is name for a school/movement/style. Likewise, 'Theory' is a name for a school/movement/style - one which was largely in opposition to the New Criticism. The fact that many New Critics were highly theory-minded (Wimsatt and Beardsley) is irrelevant. This is the importance of the T-to-t point. If you don't get very clear about it, it can seem odd that the New Critics don't 'do Theory'. Russian Formalism is funny because it is such an influence on Theory. I usually say that Theory is an Anglophone repetition of a French repetition of German Romanticism. But that's oversimple in a lot of ways (because I'm often writing in comment boxes.) Russian formalism is one of the main roots of Theory. In attacking Theory, I suppose it might seem that I am trying to denigrate Russian formalism by association, which I don't really mean to do. (It's that refuting continental philosophy on the cheap concern rearing its head again.) What I want to do is understand the lineage - a piece of intellectual history. And I want to critique as well, of course.
As to the definition point, Slack writes: "Since definition helps to frame or provide a starting point for debate, I don't see how refusing to engage in it because it might lead to error is useful, given that error is just as easy to come by in working without it."
I think I've answered this one already. The reason I never defined Higher Eclecticism was that it wasn't a starting point for me. It was an afterthought - a comment box sort of shorthand for 'what Holbo said'. It was for use by people who already knew what Holbo said, roughly, so it didn't seem needful to define it. I didn't invent the term. Scott K. did. I took it up, and others took it up, because it seemed rather apt. I'm not opposed to defining it, although I suspect the definitions will mainly function as fodder for straw man attacks (I'm not looking at you, Slack.) In asking you what you wanted, I was trying to be a little more forward looking. I've just explain why definitions weren't offered initially. Various semi-satisfactory definitions have in fact been offered by now, although they weren't initially.
As to why in the Spivak debate I decided just to link to some old posts and threads rather than discussing 'Higher Eclecticism' again. Reason: those old posts and threads seem to me pretty clear. So I felt I had said my piece. On the other hand, I had been justly criticized for not doing enough close reading of Theorists. So I chose to do some close reading of Spivak, which I think ended up being a pretty ok illustration of the Higher Eclecticism in action.
Also, I had a plane to catch. (Yes, I could have asked them to reschedule the event for some time when I wouldn't be flying, but there were so many people involved ...)
One quick response to Matt, who complains about me saying that 'Theory' is a 'neutral' term, rather than an inherently pejorative label: "how a term ever "neutrally" picks out a subject in anything but the most limited, idealized fashion, before it accrues meaning through repetition, use and context (some of which, needless to say, rather preceeds the fact), one hesitates to ask.)"
If it seemed I was suggesting that the the term 'Theory' functions in some fundamentally unique semantic fashion - that it has floated to Platonic freedom, shattering the surly bonds of context and use - I apologize for confuse caused. I have indeed heard tell of these things you call 'context' and 'use', and would be properly shocked at the very thought that they and 'Theory' were twain.
In short, when someone is obvously idealizing in a very limited fashion (like myself), complaining that their iealization will only function in a limited fashion seems doubtfully helpful, as a critique.
Posted by: jholbo | May 24, 2006 at 12:23 PM
Instead of Theory or aesthetic ideology, or continental philosophy, truth claims. That is what analytical philosophy is about, mainly. Chalmers offers a truth claim. Is it true or false? Are the arguments convincing? Is there sufficient data for the claim? A sort of "truth claim" criteria would eliminate not just entire journals of hyper-conceptualized, unverifiable "Theory", but the endless literary speculations and "politics via aesthetics". A decent analytically-inspired truth criteria applied at state level would do wonders in terms of eliminating bureaucratic pseudo-research and speculation (indicate on line 19C: are you making a synthetic or analytical claim? If A posteriori, move to next line; if a priori, STOP. your idea/claim/hypothesis is wrong). Such a criteria would also save the state millions of dollars (no more public funding of state university literature, arts, or theology departments)
Posted by: Steve | May 24, 2006 at 09:49 PM
Plus I would presumably finally be able to keep the troll from commenting. (Think of the money that I would lose in coffee mug sales.)
Posted by: jholbo | May 24, 2006 at 10:03 PM
John says: 'Theory' is a name for a school/movement/style - one which was largely in opposition to the New Criticism. The fact that many New Critics were highly theory-minded (Wimsatt and Beardsley) is irrelevant.
Well, that's just it. The New Critics were not just "theory-minded;" they comprised the era when theory as such actually was -- with the notable exception of Northrop Frye -- incontestably dominated by a single school, movement and style. (I also think the New Critics became an example of why that would in fact be a bad thing, but that's an argument for another day.) It seems very weird to me to rule them out of Theory when most introductory treatments of the subject start with them as the inception of "modern" systematized thinking about literature.
Beyond that, I suspect a pretty reasonable case could be made that aspects of the New Criticism have continued to be influential despite the end of their dominance of the field. Ruling Wimsatt and Beardsley irrelevant -- when they contributed a major component to the operating principles of contemporary theory -- strikes me as rather begging the question.
As for theory post-Sixties: well, I can see the case, in a specific time period, for a loose shared sense of "movement" (long since dissipated, as some have lamented, by a much looser sense of shared professionalism). But I fail to see the sense in which Fredric Jameson, Stephen Greenblatt, Paul de Man, Tzvetan Todorov, Paul Gilroy and Judith Butler could be usefully called members of anything close to the same "school" or "style." Each of those six figures represents a fairly major influence on literary theory (or some sector thereof), and their intellectual and stylistic approaches are so different from one another that adherents frequently have difficulty communicating.
I'm one of these "can't we all just get along, or at least understand each other" types, so the calling Theory a school, movement or style doesn't just seem inaccurate to me. It seems to actually tend in the opposite direction from addressing the real problems in the field.
Posted by: Doctor Slack | May 26, 2006 at 01:55 AM
I'm one of these "can't we all just get along, or at least understand each other" types
Ahem. Well, at least when it comes to theory...
Posted by: Doctor Slack | May 26, 2006 at 02:09 AM
I'm happy to get along doctor. I suggest that the way to do it is to accept all the things you write, above, and sort of think of them as the very reasons for why I'm interested in studying 'Theory'. You are certainly right in your broad sociological generalizations. Do you see how I can see them all as supporting what I do?
Posted by: jholbo | May 26, 2006 at 08:48 PM
Regarding the comments policy, do the laws of Singapore prescribe caning for trolls?
Posted by: John Emerson | May 29, 2006 at 03:12 AM
John says: Do you see how I can see them all as supporting what I do?
To a certain extent, sure. I think the "Theory as a school" thing is the biggest sticking point for me... but even there I'm not saying I think it's absolutely impossible to make the case, just that I have a hard time seeing it.
Cheers.
Posted by: Doctor Slack | May 29, 2006 at 11:03 PM
wait..hardguy: .here's more obscene graffiti: 300+ posts and nary an argument to be found. Ask for proof? You obscene troll!
John Holblow: jus' another postmaud. fraud. I wager Chalmers would agree.
Posted by: Svatyvam Svettrehadryad | June 01, 2006 at 11:29 AM
While it doesn't seem that strange that a massive argument was fought above about whether JH is a continental philosopher I have diffculty imagining an argument with X claiming that he is an analytic philosopher and a group of analytic philosophers saying that he is not. Why is this so?
Posted by: Timothy | August 06, 2006 at 03:05 PM
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting!
Posted by: FanteeSarrode | December 08, 2007 at 09:39 AM